Simply, want to print and control the outcome!

[Richard Lundberg]

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/co...t-printing.htm

You probably should be using PSE Manages Colors from its Printer Settings in the Print dialog box. I only use Photoshop to print ( very rarely also VueScan because I have a calibrated print profile from an IT-8 there) but the same principles apply.
PSE is a color managed application. When you allow it to manage, you select your Epson printer from the list of profiles, then you also select the paper type in the other Print Settings dialog box; if everything is the same as Photoshop. Maybe some PSE expert can chime in here, I have it but I don't use it. I hope you're using Epson paper with your Epson paper, otherwise you'll need a profile for your specific paper. I asked where your original images come from? If they are RAW camera files they should be converted to Pro Photo 16 bit for the usual adjustments and then further editing in PSE. I leave the image in Pro Photo profile to print , but converting to Adobe RGB 1998 is ok. sRGB is limiting your prints in the blue.
You really need to read the above tutorial before following any advice in this forum, including mine. Please. You don't know what you don't know right now.

[royphot]

Hi. I don't use PSE myself, and don't have an Epson Printer nowadays. However I do know that some of the advice provided by Richard is not correct. PSE can not use the Pro-photo colour space and can not handle 16 bit images (without a bit of a work-around). Most Printers are not capable of printing from 16 bit images anyway ( mine does but I don't use that facility)
Your monitor will , like mine, be incapable of showing many of the additional colour shades which Adobe RGB has over sRGB. The difference between the colour ranges in sRGB and Adobe RGB are fairly small, and most photographers would not be able to state which you had used, just by examining a print.

Roy

[Richard Lundberg]

I don't use PSE ( I have 11) so I have never tried to convert from RAW in it, maybe it doesn't do that either.
Unless you have a wide gamut monitor you can't see the aRGB additional colors, yes. You will learn more about all this when you read up on color management. Starting with Pro Photo captures and renders into visible on a monitor or printer the colors seen by the camera. Colors outside the gamut of the device are rendered into it thus bringing a richer presentation.

[Colin Southern]

Hi Sharon,

Point your browser here:

http://www.nativedigital.com/practic...-v5-ebook-pdf/

Download the (free) book on colour management, and have a read through; I think it'll give you an excellent foundation.

[Richard Lundberg]

royphot: this quote is from the Adobe forum.
LyndonPshop wrote:


<16 bits : PSE10 and PSE11 support 16 bits, except for layers and local tools.
Both can handle native Prophoto files. Just try it with Prophoto files from Lightroom. You are limited to sRGB or aRGB if you are working from your camera's raws or jpegs directly in PSE, but since you have Lightroom, you don't miss anything.
But the real answer is that advanced Elements users without LR do use the ACR module, which works in 16 bits and Prophoto (from raws or jpegs). Nearly all adjustments where 16 bits is important to avoid posterization can be done in ACR. Anyway all your output devices (display or printer) will require 8 bits and sRGB or aRGB.>

PSE 11 has Adobe Camera Raw 7.4 if it has been downloaded and installed, in my case yes. The version in PSE is not full capability as in PS. PSE 12 can use a later version of ACR, possibly 8.1 or later.
The OP has not stated the version of PSE or the source of original images and I don't think we can be of much additional help without that information.
PSE printer management should be quite similar to Photoshop. The OP needs to make sure that Printer manages colors is also turned off in the printer driver.

[Richard Lundberg]

Hi Sharon,

Point your browser here:

http://www.nativedigital.com/practic...-v5-ebook-pdf/

Download the (free) book on colour management, and have a read through; I think it'll give you an excellent foundation.

This link takes to a Native digital page where there is a link to download the book. This link takes you to a color collective page where you fill in your email, name and country and submit to subsribe. The page says you will receive an email to download the book. This does not happen. Instead you are subscribed to a FIPLAB newsletter after ok-ing a confirmation email. Perhaps the offer is no longer valid, but this seems to mw just a sneaky way to get you on a mailing list for a company. The company appears to offer products and services of value, but I don't think I will ever receive the download link for the pdf book. It's been several days and nothing. I went through the process again to verify, but the second try produces an error message saying you are already subscribed.

[Colin Southern]

This link takes to a Native digital page where there is a link to download the book. This link takes you to a color collective page where you fill in your email, name and country and submit to subsribe. The page says you will receive an email to download the book. This does not happen. Instead you are subscribed to a FIPLAB newsletter after ok-ing a confirmation email. Perhaps the offer is no longer valid, but this seems to mw just a sneaky way to get you on a mailing list for a company. The company appears to offer products and services of value, but I don't think I will ever receive the download link for the pdf book. It's been several days and nothing. I went through the process again to verify, but the second try produces an error message saying you are already subscribed.

I just tested the link a few minutes ago using a different eMail address ...

... and it continues to work just fine. You might like to check your spam folder.

[Polar01]

Sharon I see that you have gotten a lot of info, which is good however in my opinion not all needed as it appears too much and too fast as your understanding is a shall I say a little weak. You state that you have the RX595 which is a all in one printer, which uses C, LC, M, LM, Y, and BK which will produce a nice tonal range of colours. You also state that you use PSE however it will help to know which version of PSE it is. Knowing this will help to get you into a workflow that will help with your printing

Cheers: Allan

[Colin Southern]

Sharon I see that you have gotten a lot of info, which is good however in my opinion not all needed as it appears too much and too fast as your understanding is a shall I say a little weak. You state that you have the RX595 which is a all in one printer, which uses C, LC, M, LM, Y, and BK which will produce a nice tonal range of colours. You also state that you use PSE however it will help to know which version of PSE it is. Knowing this will help to get you into a workflow that will help with your printing

Cheers: Allan

To be honest Allan, as daunting as colour management can be to someone, I do feel it's a bit like being "only a little pregnant" in that in reality much of it is either right or it isn't. If things like incorrect profiles are selected or colours are "double-managed" (ie in the app and in the printer) then it's never going to end well. My personal thought is that it's better to grab the bull by the horns and just learn the basics.

[Polar01]

Colin I agree that Sharon needs to learn colour management if she want to print her images to the best that she can. She started out with prints too dark compared to the monitor, that is usually the result of the monitor being overly bright, I believe that she has fixed that problem somewhat. Now the printer she is using is a all-in-one printer (fax, photocopier, scanner, and photo printer) not a lot of adjustments that can be done not like a Epson 7900, this unit is basic. One question is, is she printing from the Elements program or from something else like Microsoft Windows. One thing I would suggest is that at this time let the printer use it's default setting until Sharon learns more about colour management. The first thing I would do to improve the colour management is to get and install a colour calibrator program to make sure that the colours that she sees on the screen is the same as the ones the printer prints. Either the Spyder or X-Rite however the unit that is only good for a monitor, I believe that both are under $90.00 US. Now the RX595 does come with a good selection of ICC profiles of a large number of Epson stocks. At this time I do not know if Elements print interface allows Elements to manage colour that could depend on version and I said this is not known.
I would hate to give someone too much or conflicting information and they end up dazed and confused.
But get the monitor calibrated you can not go wrong there.

Cheers: Allan

[Cherish]

Allan~

I am getting a wealth of information here : )

I use PSE12 and know it quite well.
I have moved up from prior versions.

Yes, this is a lot to take in...

Baby steps will get me there, I will learn more than I knew...always an accomplishment...I never want to stop learning and trying...
thank you
Sharon

[Cherish]

I know my printer has a lot of features, I also know I am not at the professional stage of knowledge, doing the best I can with what I know.

I print right from Elements.

Through PSE I do have sRGB

I pulled up my printer...this is where I made need some changes...

Choices under Color Mode - Epson Vivid...
Should this be changed to the ADOBE RGB ?

Printer Color Management - Color Controls...
other choices are Photo Enhance and ICM
any changes here?

Do you always print under Best Photo?

These would be the three areas I can change in my printer.


thank you
Sharon

[Colin Southern]

She started out with prints too dark compared to the monitor, that is usually the result of the monitor being overly bright

It's one possibility - but following the advice of some to "stick with wide colour spaces like Prophoto" and then print from a non-colour management aware app will do the same, as will incorrect printer/media settings. It's my belief that if folks have a general overview of the process then it helps them to make better choices along the way.

Now the printer she is using is a all-in-one printer (fax, photocopier, scanner, and photo printer) not a lot of adjustments that can be done not like a Epson 7900, this unit is basic.

It shouldn't make any difference as all the colour management is done outside of the printer and it's driver; that's the beauty of it; colour management changes "what you asked for" into "what you want" taking into account the limitations of any printer type.

One thing I would suggest is that at this time let the printer use it's default setting until Sharon learns more about colour management.

I'm afraid I can't agree; my suggestion is to switch off colour management in the printer ASAP and learn to do it through a colour-managed app like PSE, for two reasons (a) it's the best practice and a path that anyone interested in getting great results will inevitably go down anyway (so why waste time going down a no-exit street), and (b) the choices to get a best-practice workflow going (at a simple level) aren't particularly numerous or difficult. Plus, if things like display profiles aren't set correctly in the first place then they're still going to influence the result anyway; the only difference is that one introduces more variables -- and then we run the risk of a user changing something at one end of the workflow to compensate for a shortcoming at the other, which will create more headaches if the images are ever presented to any industry-standardised devices. If the printer (driver) is given free licence to interpret an image as it sees fit then the results are often a lottery.

The first thing I would do to improve the colour management is to get and install a colour calibrator program to make sure that the colours that she sees on the screen is the same as the ones the printer prints.

Now that's something we do agree on! Yes - absolutely first step.

It won't ensure the colours that she sees are the same as the ones that print (because the printer introduces it's own colour offsets), but it will ensure that the colours and levels that she sees are consistent with what's actually in the file. Or put another way, with a profiled and calibrated screen, once the image is looking good on the screen, if it's not printing right then the issue isn't the image itself -- it's further on down the workflow (eg printer profile).

[Cherish]

Hi Sharon,

Point your browser here:

http://www.nativedigital.com/practic...-v5-ebook-pdf/

Download the (free) book on colour management, and have a read through; I think it'll give you an excellent foundation.

Thank you Colin - I am subscribed and the ebook downloaded : )
thank you much
Sharon

[Cherish]

Colin I agree that Sharon needs to learn colour management if she want to print her images to the best that she can. She started out with prints too dark compared to the monitor, that is usually the result of the monitor being overly bright, I believe that she has fixed that problem somewhat. Now the printer she is using is a all-in-one printer (fax, photocopier, scanner, and photo printer) not a lot of adjustments that can be done not like a Epson 7900, this unit is basic. One question is, is she printing from the Elements program or from something else like Microsoft Windows. One thing I would suggest is that at this time let the printer use it's default setting until Sharon learns more about colour management. The first thing I would do to improve the colour management is to get and install a colour calibrator program to make sure that the colours that she sees on the screen is the same as the ones the printer prints. Either the Spyder or X-Rite however the unit that is only good for a monitor, I believe that both are under $90.00 US. Now the RX595 does come with a good selection of ICC profiles of a large number of Epson stocks. At this time I do not know if Elements print interface allows Elements to manage colour that could depend on version and I said this is not known.
I would hate to give someone too much or conflicting information and they end up dazed and confused.
But get the monitor calibrated you can not go wrong there.

Cheers: Allan

Allan~Colin~anyone that has time...

If you could look at my post where I listed my program and printer choices...
In the printer the dash is where it is set now...if I need to change any of these settings, please let me know.
Yes a color calibrator is very much what I need.

I will start at basics and read, read, read...
again,
thank you
Sharon

[Colin Southern]

Thank you Colin - I am subscribed and the ebook downloaded : )
thank you much
Sharon

You're very welcome Sharon. Be sure to come back to us with questions when you read it!

[Polar01]

Sharon I think I finally found something, I am attaching a link, what you need is on page 2, starting at post #16 (post #'s at bottom of right hand corner). It was hard for me to see in my mind what you were seeing as the setup page for mine printer is very different, even my manual shows different screens that what my printer displays.

http://www.printerknowledge.com/thre...nt-epson.5093/

remember starts on page 2 about half way down is post #16

Cheers: Allan

[Cherish]

Sharon I think I finally found something, I am attaching a link, what you need is on page 2, starting at post #16 (post #'s at bottom of right hand corner). It was hard for me to see in my mind what you were seeing as the setup page for mine printer is very different, even my manual shows different screens that what my printer displays.

http://www.printerknowledge.com/thre...nt-epson.5093/

You hit perfect information!!! I think this is going to be very helpful!
Thank you for not giving up : )
It also made me think about...always go back to the product, no matter what it is...they may surprise you with knowledge you didn't expect

going off to study...
thank you
Sharon

[Richard Lundberg]

I eventually was able to contact the author, Rob Griffith, who sent me the link to the color management ebook, which is excellent. Still don't know what happened, and although he said I'm registered with Color Collective, I have never received anything from them that I know of. I'll go to their site again when I have time.

[Colin Southern]

I eventually was able to contact the author, Rob Griffith, who sent me the link to the color management ebook, which is excellent. Still don't know what happened, and although he said I'm registered with Color Collective, I have never received anything from them that I know of. I'll go to their site again when I have time.

Usually recipient spam filtering is the culprit.