Hi John,
Thanks for the comment. There is no post processing on the first shot. I actually took the second shot first. While I was standing there it occurred to me to take a picture of the location for a possible post here.
What I was trying to do with this thread was to try and understand how we "see" a possible picture out of what at first appears to an unpromising location. I thought it might be useful for others to see where the actual shot came from.
Hope this makes sense, I am grappling with concepts I guess
Cheers
john