camera and lens advice

[Colin Southern]

Really? That isn't good... I was reading that you can see some noise with ISO 3200 but above it should be all right...
I hope you will buy the 70D and you will catch your bird!

ISO noise isn't as straight-forward as one might think - it depends on a number of factors such as dynamic range of the scene - chosen exposure - degree of cropping - type of objects in the scene. The 60D and 600D are very similar noise wise.

[MissRed]

Ok. Thank you everyone I will go with 60D for sure I want to buy a kit with canon 18-135mm lens do you think that will be enough for start?

[AB26]

but I find the noise unacceptable above ISO 400,

Not easy to believe about a Canon. It is supposed to be good at high ISO - better than Nikon. From what I understand the 6D would be the camera to go for if you are a low light shooter.

Coming from a Nikonian.

What Colin says is something I had to find out the hard way. A way you can make high ISO settings look impressive, doing camera reviews. Cheat!

[AB26]

Ok. Thank you everyone I will go with 60D for sure I want to buy a kit with canon 18-135mm lens do you think that will be enough for start?

Now that is what I call, an informed decision. You will not regret it, just stay with CiC and keep asking questions.

Mariola, I am a Nikon guy and I do have an 18-135mm lens. It is on my camera almost all the time. Until you get carried away attempting BIF (Birds in flight) photography, the 18-135 will serve you very well.

[MissRed]

That's a good news thank you
I'm just curious which lens will be good for BIF?

[Donald]

I would suggest that a lens for BIF is a more specialist piece of equipment that can perhaps come later. I think your suggested combination of 60D and the 18-135 provides you witha good general set-up that will allow you to learn and master the use of the camera and to start to develop your photographic knowledge and skills.

Once you have all those basic skills truly mastered, then you could move on to specialist areas such as BIF, etc.

That is the way I'd plan my learning and development programme.

[Colin Southern]

Ok. Thank you everyone I will go with 60D for sure I want to buy a kit with canon 18-135mm lens do you think that will be enough for start?

Yep - good place to start. You WILL want to add other things like a tripod and remote release sooner rather than later - then comes things like flashes and other lenses.

For BIF shots a longer lens will be beneficial, but other things also come into it like AF speed and acuracy; you'll probably find that they're a LOT harder than you think they'll be.

[jcuknz]

Don't know where BIF came from but if you attract the birds to you the 135mm lens has plenty of reach. This was taken with my D60, an earlier camera from what you are after, with a shorter lens. Feeding table about a foot or so from window with cardboard screen and hole for lens to see through with drawn curtains .... a 'hide'
NZ Waxeye about the size of a small sparrow.

[Colin Southern]

Don't know where BIF came from

BIF = Birds In Flight.

[MissRed]

Wow! I won't stop studying untill I take shot like this or until I die whatever will happen first xD

[MissRed]

Jcuknz I really like your photos. Lovely birds msybe on day I will show you mine I can't wait

[MissRed]

And what do you think about fish eye lens?
Have you got some amazing shots with that lens?

[AB26]

This was taken with my D60, an earlier camera from what you are after, with a shorter lens. Feeding table about a foot or so from window with cardboard screen and hole for lens to see through with drawn curtains .... a 'hide'

Shame on you John.

If you shot this with a D60 from a foot away you should dump that Nikon in the nearest river.
Fortunately Mariola is after a Canon and not a Nikon. You will make me reconsider my Nikonian status.

[MissRed]

I'm not after Nikon or after Canon really now I have Nikon coolpix L810 with 26x zoom it was good for my holidays and I'm very pleased with that camera but it's all automatic so now when I want to try DSLR I thought that I can try different company that's why I want canon
I just want to have an open mind

[RustBeltRaw]

t is concerned with encouraging people to make sure they read the User Manual and use it to aid their learning.

Thank you for not translating my rude English literally.

Really? That isn't good... I was reading that you can see some noise with ISO 3200 but above it should be all right...

The 60D can easily be used well, well above ISO400. Most of my work is in the ISO1600-4000 range. If your exposure keeps the subject bright, the subject will be low-noise. If the subject is dark, then you can see considerable noise at remarkably low ISOs. In addition, "acceptable" noise is a matter of personal preference. At first, I tried very hard to stay below ISO800, but now, I don't even get worried until ISO4000.

And what do you think about fish eye lens?
Have you got some amazing shots with that lens?

Fisheyes can produce some amazing shots. But they're rather specialized, and you have to be very close to your subject. Using them is totally different from shooting birds in flight. Handy for interiors, and you can get some fun portraits, cityscape, and street photos with one. I'd encourage you to wait until you've mastered the 18-135mm. One thing at a time.

[JR1]

I have D700s and the 60D and I shoot professionally with both, I use the Canon 28-135, Canon 20-35 (mainly for weddings and portraits) and Sigma 120-400 for sports, the only thing I don't like about it is the single card slot, and it is not as solid as the D7000s.

[JR1]

Can I suggest that the second shot would benefit greatly from Noisware community edition

Nice wildlife shots

[JR1]

Don't know where BIF came from but if you attract the birds to you the 135mm lens has plenty of reach. This was taken with my D60, an earlier camera from what you are after, with a shorter lens. Feeding table about a foot or so from window with cardboard screen and hole for lens to see through with drawn curtains .... a 'hide'
NZ Waxeye about the size of a small sparrow.

Can I suggest that the second shot would benefit greatly from Noisware community edition

Nice wildlife shots

[MissRed]

Thank you for not translating my rude English literally.

I know what does it mean in a rude way xD

Of course one thing at the time I have plan :
1) eos 60D + 18-135mm lens
2) tripod
3) fish eye
4) sigma 70mm macro lens
5) bag for camera and 2 lenses
Ta daaa

[Colin Southern]

I'm not after Nikon or after Canon really now I have Nikon coolpix L810 with 26x zoom it was good for my holidays and I'm very pleased with that camera but it's all automatic so now when I want to try DSLR I thought that I can try different company that's why I want canon
I just want to have an open mind

We like to have some friendly rivalry from time to time, but at the end of the day, they're both exactly the same in terms of the fundamentals (a box at the end of a lens that lets light hit a sensor for a short period of time).

For the most part they all offer similar specifications within a given price bracket.

Once you choose one over the other you can get "locked in" though, in that you'll end up with a lot of accessories such as lenses and flashes that aren't interchangable.