camera and lens advice

[MissRed]

Hello everyone

I'm intrested in photography from maybe one month but I had read a lot already about it and I saw tutorial on youtube how to take portraits, nudes, close-ups, landscapes.
I enroled already on photography course for begginers and I decided to buy canon eos 60D with Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Lens and this is going to cost me about £770 because that's a kit or maybe do you think that canon eos 600D with same lens for about £585 will enough for me for now?
Could you pls help me?

P.S I'm really sorry if I made some mistakes this is not my first language...

[Donald]

Hello and welcome to CiC. Thank you for joining.

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Now to your question.

If you can afford it and you are very serious about learning how to be a good photographer and know you are dedicated to learning, then go for the 60D. It is a significant step up from the 600D in terms of what it can offer. It will NOT take better photo graphs. Only you can do that. The 600D is perfectly capable of allowing you to produce excellent pictures. However, the 60D, for the dedicated enthusiast, will offer more options and allow you pursue photo opportunities that would be difficult it not impossible with the 600D. But these can only be realised if you are committed to learning how to use the camera to its full potential.

[AB26]

Hi Mariola,

Welcome.

I have to agree with Donald. The more you learn the more you will enjoy the 60D.

PS. I am not a Canon shooter.

[MissRed]

Thank you both

[rpcrowe]

I totally agree with Donald and Andre. IMO, the extra money would be well worth it. The 60D is a more pleasant camera with which to shoot. The dual dial system and the Camera User Mode system are among the bells and whistles that make the 60D more user friendly...

[MissRed]

I totally agree with Donald and Andre. IMO, the extra money would be well worth it. The 60D is a more pleasant camera with which to shoot. The dual dial system and the Camera User Mode system are among the bells and whistles that make the 60D more user friendly...

So do you think that 60D has more friendly interface and it's easier to use?

[jcuknz]

Camera such as this are inevitably complicated becuase they are capable of many things but rest assured that it has a P mode, and maybe others where for starters it does the hard thinking for you until you gradually learn how to use the manual overrides and when you need them ... it will serve you well as you learn about photography.

[Donald]

So do you think that 60D has more friendly interface and it's easier to use?

Mariola

I would suggest that 'easier to use?' is not the best question to ask. When you are inexperienced and just learning, then the 60D will probably seem more complicated to use. But, as you learn the camera, then the advantages of its extra capabilities will, I am sure, be welcomed.

I interpret Richard's comments (with which I agree) as meaning that the additional features on the 60D mean that you can use its facilities to achieve things that the 600D either cannot or involves more steps in the process. So, once you know and understand the 60D, yes it will provide a much more logical interface.

You must remember - that the 600D and the 60D are in two very separate categories/classes of product produced by Canon. I do not know if the same terminology is used nowadays, but it was generally understood that there were three groupings of cameras - consumer; pro-sumer; professional. The 600D is in the consumer category. The 60D is in the pro-sumer category. So, they are not targeted at the same market.

[Colin Southern]

So do you think that 60D has more friendly interface and it's easier to use?

I would phrase it slightly differently by saying that the 60D's controls make it easier to make the changes to settings that you're going to need to make all the time. Much better ergonomics.

[AB26]

rest assured that it has a P mode,

And Creative Exposure Modes with AUTO to help you out when you do not know what to do.

[RustBeltRaw]

I would phrase it slightly differently by saying that the 60D's controls make it easier to make the changes to settings that you're going to need to make all the time. Much better ergonomics.

As a 60D user, I can add a little to this. The 60D and its new buddy, the 70D, are the lowest-end Canon DSLRs equipped with dual adjustment wheels. If you're in manual mode, and your have the right software settings configured, they let you select aperture and shutter speed very easily, and without using a soft menu or a combination of multiple buttons. Convenient enough to make manual mode practical for everyday use. Image quality is pretty much indistinguishable from the T_i range, but to me, the tilting screen and improved ergonomics are well worth the premium, especially considering the recent flood of 60Ds on the used market.

...AUTO to help you out when you do not know what to do.

I would say Auto's not there as a lifeline, but to make life easier when conditions are not demanding. If you're in tough conditions and you can't be bothered with changing your exposure triangle, Auto will not save you, and the camera is not the problem. RTFM, remember, and practice.

[Donald]

RTFM, remember, and practice.

I am conscious, Mariola, that because English is not your first language, you may not understand this acronym. It is concerned with encouraging people to make sure they read the User Manual and use it to aid their learning.

[DanK]

I would phrase it slightly differently by saying that the 60D's controls make it easier to make the changes to settings that you're going to need to make all the time. Much better ergonomics.

That is exactly how I would put it. Years ago, I upgraded from a Rebel (like the 600D, but an earlier version) to the 50D (which has controls more similar to the 60D and 70D) precisely for this reason. The Rebel is capable of producing excellent images. In fact, in some cases, Canon has put the same sensor in both a Rebel and a higher-end camera. However, the better controls on the more expensive camera makes it much easier and faster to make changes that I knew I wanted to make, without going through menus.

All of these cameras, including the 600D, have many settings and options. It will take you some time to learn which you want to use and how to use them.

[Carl in Louisiana]

Another 60D user here. When I was trying to decide which to buy I downloaded the owners manual from the Canon site and read up on the cameras. Once I settled on the 60D I began going thru the manual before the camera arrived. Doing so will give you a "one up" before the camera gets to you, by getting you familiar with the camera and it's setting and what each does. I am really enjoying the 60D. Good luck with your choice.

[Colin Southern]

RTFM, remember, and practice.

Read The Fine Manual

[MissRed]

I am conscious, Mariola, that because English is not your first language, you may not understand this acronym. It is concerned with encouraging people to make sure they read the User Manual and use it to aid their learning.

Thank you

[MissRed]

Another 60D user here. When I was trying to decide which to buy I downloaded the owners manual from the Canon site and read up on the cameras. Once I settled on the 60D I began going thru the manual before the camera arrived. Doing so will give you a "one up" before the camera gets to you, by getting you familiar with the camera and it's setting and what each does. I am really enjoying the 60D. Good luck with your choice.

That's an excellent idea!!!
I should have done that many days ago!
You are brilliant, everyone! Thank you so much.

My partner had one idea that I can buy 600D at first and then if I really want to change it for better one after some time he will buy me a 60D and he will take my old one.

But after your advices probably I will go with 60D

[Colin Southern]

But after your advices probably I will go with 60D

Good call.

I bought a xxxD camera once, but quickly sold it (at a loss) to get a xxD camera. If I had to start over I wouldn't even consider a xxxD model.

[FootLoose]

FWIW, Mariola, I bought a 600D 12 months ago - my first dslr - and I am already thinking of upgrading it. It is a pretty good camera and I have had a lot of fun with it, but I find the noise unacceptable above ISO 400, and the burst rate is too slow for me to catch a bird in flight. I have been considering the 70D ...

[MissRed]

I find the noise unacceptable above ISO 400, and the burst rate is too slow for me to catch a bird

Really? That isn't good... I was reading that you can see some noise with ISO 3200 but above it should be all right...
I hope you will buy the 70D and you will catch your bird!