Does anyone actually buy the Nikon D4

[NorthernFocus]

Or it could curve back to where it started and cease to have a point at all.

That started out better than it finished

Well actually it didn't finish at all and won't now that you've made a loop out of my perfectly good straight line

...But then again, if people followed my advice I guess "reviews" would get pretty monotonous and then not many people would buy their magazine nor visit their websites (and we can't have that!). On the flip-side though, it would do wonders for heaps of people's photography, so all wouldn't be lost (unless you're a publisher of physical or digital content).

Hmmmmm - I think I see a pattern here - it's actually about what's best for the publishers, not the customers ...

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Nor is it very good business to give poor reviews on equipment provided at no cost by a sponsor. Not if one plans to continue with said sponsorship. Speaking of which, ever notice that the individual in question typcially has high praise for the newly released model camera, lens, etc. Then miraculously a few months later that particular model is not so great but the newly released version is amazing... etc, etc,...

[Colin Southern]

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Nor is it very good business to give poor reviews on equipment provided at no cost by a sponsor. Not if one plans to continue with said sponsorship. Speaking of which, ever notice that the individual in question typcially has high praise for the newly released model camera, lens, etc. Then miraculously a few months later that particular model is not so great but the newly released version is amazing... etc, etc,...

LOL - sounds like printer models where each and every new model delivers "the most vibrant true-to-life" colours that they've ever seen!

Honestly, it's cr*p. These days we get fed so much of it under the guise of "commerce" that it's no wonder I'm "so over it". Not just printers - or cameras - but EVERYWHERE.

Some examples from the past week ...

- Yesterday I was watching a program called Yukon Men on TV. Young chap can't get snowmobile started - storm approaching - light fading. HIS LIFE IS IN DANGER IF HE CAN'T GET IT STARTED!! ... or he could get a ride back with one of the several camera man who are there filming. Doh!

- The other day I'm watching Airplane Repo on TV ... aircraft has slow leak from fuel drain (drip - pause - pause - pause - drip). IF THEY CAN'T FIX IT THEY RISK THE PLANE BLOWING UP IN MID AIR IF IT'S IGNITED BY HOT GASSES FROM THE EXHAUST!! Reality check - come on folks - that's even more fake than "pro" wrestling!

- Same program - repo pilot is given clearance and takes off with seconds to spare as security vehicles chase him down the runway. Doh - like ATC is going to give you a takeoff clearance with airport security chasing you down the runway?

- Yesterday on TV we're educated to the evils of how cleaning ears with cotton buds pushes the wax in and perforates the ear drum. Solution ... this new mini-vacuum cleaner product! (and gosh, look how happy it makes you when you're using it to suck the wax out!).

Is anyone else getting as "disconnected" from this kind of false and misleading marketing/advertising as I am? It's got to the stage where they really don't give a rats what they say or do so long as it sells product.

[pnodrog]

LOL - sounds like printer models where each and every new model delivers "the most vibrant true-to-life" colours that they've ever seen!

Honestly, it's cr*p. These days we get fed so much of it under the guise of "commerce" that it's no wonder I'm "so over it". Not just printers - or cameras - but EVERYWHERE.

Some examples from the past week ...

- Yesterday I was watching a program called Yukon Men on TV. Young chap can't get snowmobile started - storm approaching - light fading. HIS LIFE IS IN DANGER IF HE CAN'T GET IT STARTED!! ... or he could get a ride back with one of the several camera man who are there filming. Doh!

- The other day I'm watching Airplane Repo on TV ... aircraft has slow leak from fuel drain (drip - pause - pause - pause - drip). IF THEY CAN'T FIX IT THEY RISK THE PLANE BLOWING UP IN MID AIR IF IT'S IGNITED BY HOT GASSES FROM THE EXHAUST!! Reality check - come on folks - that's even more fake than "pro" wrestling!

- Same program - repo pilot is given clearance and takes off with seconds to spare as security vehicles chase him down the runway. Doh - like ATC is going to give you a takeoff clearance with airport security chasing you down the runway?

- Yesterday on TV we're educated to the evils of how cleaning ears with cotton buds pushes the wax in and perforates the ear drum. Solution ... this new mini-vacuum cleaner product! (and gosh, look how happy it makes you when you're using it to suck the wax out!).

Is anyone else getting as "disconnected" from this kind of false and misleading marketing/advertising as I am? It's got to the stage where they really don't give a rats what they say or do so long as it sells product.

You have shattered me just when I had come to the conclusion that a Hummer was going to be the best vehicle to drive 2km to the mall and reality TV was 100% genuine.

[xpatUSA]

Is anyone else getting as "disconnected" from this kind of false and misleading marketing/advertising as I am?

Me!

There is a guy on U.S. TV who actually does his own 'surviving in the wild' on his todd, with his own video cam, often held at arm's length or parked on a boulder or tree trunk. Haven't seen it lately, probably not enough drama of the kind you mentioned - hence low ratings.

In a similar vein, home-renovation programs or 'failing-restaurant-rescue' programs always have an important BIG DEADLINE which somehow is always met at the eleventh hour, the 59th minute and 5999th millisecond.

I hate 'reality' TV

[NorthernFocus]

The one I love is the triumphant guy who is the first to summit a mountain, enter a cave, etc. Apparently camera crews don't count in the "first to reach whatever point on the globe" competition because they are always there filming the hero arriving behind them.

Commercial advertising is proof positive that we humans aren't nearly as smart as we think. Or it doesn't actually work at all and is just an example of how far/long a fraud can be perpetrated on business. Which would lead of back to the previous comment regarding smarts...

OK, it's official. We are COMPLETELY OT.

[nimitzbenedicto]

Sure, many are hauled in by fake/false/misleading ads/etc.

Take a look at forums where all they do is discuss endlessly, "what's the best lens?",
"Is the latest NiCAnon with 64000ISO better than CaNikon 64001ISO cam?"
"Is CS21 Photoshop better than Lightroom69?"
"Can the latest CaNikon emulate the classical film cameras?"
"Why the newest Soligor light meter can make you a better photog."

etc.

[NorthernFocus]

You have shattered me just when I had come to the conclusion that a Hummer was going to be the best vehicle to drive 2km to the mall and reality TV was 100% genuine.

Oh it is genuine. You just got confused. Driving a hummer 2km to the mall is the plot of a reality TV show. Did you think that was the commercial?

[Colin Southern]

You have shattered me just when I had come to the conclusion that a Hummer was going to be the best vehicle to drive 2km to the mall and reality TV was 100% genuine.

Just think - if you weren't driving a Hummer then that car coming the other way could hit the pothole - swerve across the road - and hit you head on, possibly inflicting fatal injuries. Not to mention the possibilities of bits falling off aircraft (that only a Hummer can protect against!) ...

Mind you, is it any worse than the acne cream developed in the wigzonian institute (you know that place with the white tables, white chairs, white walls where the good-looking young (but not too young!) doctors (with glasses) work (that a search turns the registered office up as being a cleaners closet at some university)?

Maybe it's old age creeping up on me, but the more I have this stuff rammed down my throat the more I feel like throwing up

[pnodrog]

Oh it is genuine. You just got confused. Driving a hummer 2km to the mall is the plot of a reality TV show. Did you think that was the commercial?

As seen on TV is surely the highest form of proof.

I find being totally confused about what is the best to buy saves me a lot of money because if I can't make up my mind I just do without.

[pnodrog]

Just think - if you weren't driving a Hummer then that car coming the other way could hit the pothole - swerve across the road - and hit you head on, possibly inflicting fatal injuries. Not to mention the possibilities of bits falling off aircraft (that only a Hummer can protect against!) ...

Mind you, is it any worse than the acne cream developed in the wigzonian institute (you know that place with the white tables, white chairs, white walls where the good-looking young (but not too young!) doctors (with glasses) work (that a search turns the registered office up as being a cleaners closet at some university)?

Maybe it's old age creeping up on me, but the more I have this stuff rammed down my throat the more I feel like throwing up

You are lucky it seems to be galloping up on me - must be one of the many benefits of living in the South Island ...

[Colin Southern]

Your lucky it seems to be galloping up on me - must be one of the many benefits of living in the South Island ...

Oh yes - it's a Utopian paradise here (well at least that's the impression they gave in the tourism adverts!).

[pnodrog]

Oh yes - it's a Utopian paradise here (well at least that's the impression they gave in the tourism adverts!).

I would come and live in Utopia(as seen on TV) but I understand I will first need to know the difference between "your" and "you are", convert to Canon and invest in a 30kwatt heater.

[Colin Southern]

I would come and live in Utopia(as seen on TV) but I understand I will first need to know the difference between "your" and "you are", convert to Canon and invest in a 30kwatt heater.

Well, since I only made it to the 4th form, I can't help with the grammar.

Nikon shooters welcome.

Heater - ha - need 30KW COOLER at the moment. Keeping in mind that Nelson gets more sunshine than you do :P

[Black Pearl]

Its the adverts for washing powder/tablets that get me. For the last (lets say) 20 years I've been told the latest ones will make my clothes even whiter. Honestly by now anything that gets to within five feet of my washing machine should instantly become a gleaming white beacon of hope that will blind me with it magnificence - that or twenty years ago my washing all came out black regardless of what it started as.

[Colin Southern]

Its the adverts for washing powder/tablets that get me. For the last (lets say) 20 years I've been told the latest ones will make my clothes even whiter. Honestly by now anything that gets to within five feet of my washing machine should instantly become a gleaming white beacon of hope that will blind me with it magnificence

Might explain a lot of the blown highlights we see in peoples shots!

[ajohnw]

Might explain a lot of the blown highlights we see in peoples shots!

That's because they don't use mirrorless cameras.

The strange thing about the D4 and for that matter the 1DX is that for some reason full reviews never seem to appear on Dpreview.

Does this mean they are so much better than everything else that people would be put off buying cheaper cameras or are they the same as the rest so a review might make the price embarrassing?

John
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[Saorsa]

I would come and live in Utopia(as seen on TV) but I understand I will first need to know the difference between "your" and "you are", convert to Canon and invest in a 30kwatt heater.

You won't need to give up your (possessive) Nikon and you're (contraction of your are) welcome to come to Florida where the heater will not be required. Does that help y'all? (contraction of you all)

[AB26]

His web site content certainly indicates to me that he deserves more respect than the term "useless" accords.

Philip

You see Philip, how easy it is to read whatever you wish to read.
I did not call KR “USELESS”, I called him a useless Photographer. Perhaps there is a little difference? There are many things I am useless with and I will be the first to admit it.

Having access to all the tools of the trade with all the years of experience of Mr. KR, you should at least have learned how to capture decent images.

Sorry but KR maybe a very good business man and engineer but as a Photographer – I am afraid I doubt his ability to “learn to take great pictures”. But then again, there is a vast difference between taking pictures and capturing images, isn’t there?

[MrB]

Apologies for the omission, Andre. Here is my sentence regarding Ken Rockwell, edited to clarify its meaning just for you:

His web site content certainly indicates to me that he deserves more respect than the term "useless photographer" accords.

Philip

[Colin Southern]

You see Philip, how easy it is to read whatever you wish to read.
I did not call KR “USELESS”, I called him a useless Photographer. Perhaps there is a little difference? There are many things I am useless with and I will be the first to admit it.

Having access to all the tools of the trade with all the years of experience of Mr. KR, you should at least have learned how to capture decent images.

Sorry but KR maybe a very good business man and engineer but as a Photographer – I am afraid I doubt his ability to “learn to take great pictures”. But then again, there is a vast difference between taking pictures and capturing images, isn’t there?

Sorry Andre, but this is just a load of rubbish. I certainly wouldn't call myself a "useless photographer" and he's a lot better photographer than I'll ever be. Additionally, "useless photographers" don't have numerous works in public and private collections over many years, and they certainly don't have people coming to them for photography workshops.

Why don't we just agree that you just don't like his work and leave it at that?