Airplane

[Jims]

In my quest to learn and use more of the manual controls thought I'd start soliciting some feedback, my main goal is to become more productive and effective at producing correctly set images in manual mode and I am aware I will need to take many to get the few good ones we all aspire towards creating, so here goes...

I was near the airport again today so took a couple of shots after setting and using the manual AWB control option.

Before and after images using Snapseed adjustments to try and correct some of what I got wrong. Note I don't use any other software mainly because my lap top/PC rarely gets turned on nowadays, if any one knows of any IPad PP tools better than Snapseed I'm all ears.

Sky was hazy but as you leave the lower third of the sky it turns bluer, all I can see is washed out sky though! How do I get the balance right as this is a common challenge I come up against. I can also see a few mistakes in composition eg. Missing the tail end on the right with the top shot... (Another topic another day... Looking for tips on using live view or the view finder as a glasses wearer)...

All and any critique welcome as it's my first picture post...



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And one from last week with the IPad given a bit of snapseed treatment FWIW...



I have other issues with my skills I need improving but will save them for another post,thread, thanks for looking

[Shadowman]

Jim,

When you wrote " manual AWB" I think you meant just "WB" otherwise the camera would select WB for you. Which WB temperature did you use?

[Jims]

Yes I meant WB, On the Nex 5N you have an option to take a photo of the area there is a centre spot and the manual setting is registered and identifies the best setting based on the reading at the time. I have to be honest I didn't make a note of the colour I just selected Ok assuming it would make a better judgement that AWB or any of the pre sets.

On checking the info it only shows the settings as manual?

Sorry another learning curve I guess, perhaps to make a note of the colour balance.

[Shadowman]

Yes I meant WB, On the Nex 5N you have an option to take a photo of the area there is a centre spot and the manual setting is registered and identifies the best setting based on the reading at the time. I have to be honest I didn't make a note of the colour I just selected Ok assuming it would make a better judgement that AWB or any of the pre sets.

On checking the info it only shows the settings as manual?

Sorry another learning curve I guess, perhaps to make a note of the colour balance.

Jim,

I wondered because the third image is either very underexposed or used one of the lighting white balances. What was the shutter speed, ISO for that image?

[Jims]

Jim,

I wondered because the third image is either very underexposed or used one of the lighting white balances. What was the shutter speed, ISO for that image?

Shutter speed, ISO and all other settings listed below.

Exif data

Camera Sony NEX-5N
Exposure 0.001 sec (1/1600)
Aperture f/6.3
Focal Length 195 mm
ISO Speed 100
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
X-Resolution 350 dpi
Y-Resolution 350 dpi
Software NEX-5N v1.02
Date and Time (Modified) 2014:07:22 12:11:27
YCbCr Positioning Co-sited
Exposure Program Aperture-priority AE
Sensitivity Type Recommended Exposure Index
Recommended Exposure Index 100
Date and Time (Original) 2014:07:22 12:11:27
Date and Time (Digitized) 2014:07:22 12:11:27
Compressed Bits Per Pixel 1
Brightness Value 11.290625
Max Aperture Value 6.3
Metering Mode Center-weighted average
Light Source Other
Color Space sRGB
Custom Rendered Normal
Exposure Mode Auto
White Balance Manual
Focal Length (35mm format) 292 mm
Scene Capture Type Standard
Contrast Low
Saturation High
Sharpness Normal
Lens Info 55-210mm f/4.5-6.3
Lens Model E 55-210mm F4.5-6.3 OSS
Preview Image (Binary data 314894 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Rating 0
Contrast -2
Saturation +1
Sharpness +1
Brightness 0
High ISONoise Reduction Normal
HDR Off; Uncorrected image
WBShift AB_ GM 0 -1
Face Info Offset 94
Sony Date Time 2014:07:22 12:11:27
Sony Image Height 3264
Sony Image Width 4912
Faces Detected 0
Face Info Length 37
Meta Version DC7303320222000
Creative Style Vivid
Color Temperature 6700
Color Compensation Filter -1
Scene Mode Standard
Zone Matching ISO Setting Used
Dynamic Range Optimizer Off
Image Stabilization On
Color Mode Vivid
Full Image Size 4912x3264
Preview Image Size 1616x1080
File Format ARW 2.3
Quality Fine
Flash Exposure Comp 0
White Balance Fine Tune 0
White Balance Custom
Sony Model ID NEX-5N
Teleconverter None
Multi Frame Noise Reduction Off
Picture Effect Off
Soft Skin Effect Off
Vignetting Correction Auto
Distortion Correction Auto
Lens Type E-Mount, T-Mount, Other Lens or no lens
Lens Spec E 55-210mm F4.5-6.3 OSS
Exposure Mode Aperture-priority AE
Flash Level Normal
Release Mode Normal
Sequence Number Single
Anti- Blur On (Shooting)
Intelligent Auto Off
Sequence Image Number 1
Sequence File Number 1
Release Mode2 Normal
Shot Number Since Power Up 10
Sequence Length 1 shot
Camera Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Quality2 JPEG
Model Release Year 2011
Ambient Temperature 25 C
Focus Mode DMF
AFArea Mode Multi
Lens Format APS-C
Lens Mount E-mount
Lens Type2 Sony E 55-210mm F4.5-6.3 OSS
Battery Temperature 33.9 C
Battery Level 95%
Release Mode3 Normal
Stops Above Base ISO 0
Brightness Value 11.290625
HDRSetting Off
Exposure Compensation 0
Picture Effect2 Off
Metering Mode Center-weighted average
Exposure Program Aperture-priority AE
WB_ RGBLevels 670 256 382
Flash Status External Flash present
Image Count 13078
Sony Exposure Time 1/1803
Sony FNumber 6.3
Print IMVersion 0300
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Make SONY
Model NEX-5N
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Software NEX-5N v1.02
Modify Date 2014:07:22 12:11:27
MPFVersion 0100
Number Of Images 2
MPImage Flags Representative image, Dependent parent image
MPImage Format JPEG
MPImage Type Baseline MP Primary Image
MPImage Length 2665076
MPImage Start 0
Dependent Image1 Entry Number 2
Dependent Image2 Entry Number 0
MPImage Flags Dependent child image
MPImage Format JPEG
MPImage Type Large Thumbnail (full HD equivalent)
MPImage Length 315024

[Shadowman]

Jim,

A couple of items to look into, the WB settings in the exif data you supplied, what is the WB custom setting and is it applied to any of these images. Is WB custom just a listing of what options are available? Also, WB shift AB -1, did the camera apply this shift to any of the images? And lastly, center-weighted average metering mode, where was your focus indicator for the third image? Consider change metering mode to matrix. I'm surprised that the camera chose such a fast shutter speed for this image at this particular time of day. Something you were focusing on must have indicated to the camera that a fast shutter speed was possible.

[Jims]

Soo... Just settled in to our holiday destination and have time to relax.

WB manual setting is a test shot taken aiming at the chosen area, you then select the setting displayed if the a image suits you taste I guess, I have seen figures (so far) ranged from 4,400K up to 9,900k, not sure what was registered for these images as I tried a couple of different settings. Any other settings like AB would have been set by the camera.

Also touched the screen to pick the focus spot, was supposed to be the airplane. I am struggling to get an accurate focus point quite a lot tbh, have recently moved to wearing glasses and the change seems to make it awkward at times to see where my focus point is. Hoping that improves with time.

Thanks for the interest, seems it have double posted this thread too somehow only partially in the other one!?! ...

[Shadowman]

Soo... Just settled in to our holiday destination and have time to relax.

WB manual setting is a test shot taken aiming at the chosen area, you then select the setting displayed if the a image suits you taste I guess, I have seen figures (so far) ranged from 4,400K up to 9,900k, not sure what was registered for these images as I tried a couple of different settings. Any other settings like AB would have been set by the camera.

Also touched the screen to pick the focus spot, was supposed to be the airplane. I am struggling to get an accurate focus point quite a lot tbh, have recently moved to wearing glasses and the change seems to make it awkward at times to see where my focus point is. Hoping that improves with time.

Thanks for the interest, seems it have double posted this thread too somehow only partially in the other one!?! ...

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