Canon blows Nikon - out of the water:

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Quote Originally Posted by Venser View Post
You know how many of my clients can tell a difference? If you chose none you'd be correct.
I think most non-photographers, and even some photographers couldn't tell any difference. For example, people looking at their new wedding shots are going to be swayed by the emotion of what they are seeing/reliving - they won't be pixel peeping, and wouldn't know what to look for anyway.

It's important that manufacturers continue to develop better technology as we all gain from that in the long run - for example getting smaller and lighter cameras that still produce excellent image quality. But it's a long process, and for me, getting too concerned about every development seems unhelpful. If any photographer continues to improve their personal photography skills that will probably count for more than anything else. There are always good cameras and lenses available, even at a reasonable budget.

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Of course, non- photographers can't tell much difference in what they're seeing, what's good about it, or what's not. It's up to the artist to make sure it is quality.

Obviously, the 7D mark II has been a popular birding camera, though I have seen here on this forum some concern about the IQ, I think. I have also seen suggested that the Nikon D7100 would be upgraded to match it, as it is a DX with many pro features, only it's burst shooting speed is limited to 6 fps. It might be an ideal camera for me if the D7100 was upgraded in burst shooting, and the pixel count to 16 mp, not saying 24 is totally too much, but who needs more than 16? And I'd rather have the quality.

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A new complete shutter box is just £150, people worry too much about the shutter count

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Jeremy, no argument from me about shutter count... I'm just aware that its very high.... I've worked my 7D pretty hard.

If it fails (and I've never managed to work a camera to death yet even though I do try), I'm more inclined to have the camera fixed, since I'm no way sure my photography would be significantly, if at all improved, by the acquisition of the MK11.

That said, the little boy in me loves the idea of a shiny new toy with all the 'latest' gadgets....:) ;)

Hi Nick,

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Originally Posted by Nicks Pics

It might be an ideal camera for me if the D7100 was upgraded in burst shooting, and the pixel count to 16 mp, not saying 24 is totally too much, but who needs more than 16? And I'd rather have the quality.

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That is obviously what Nikon thought when they added the "1.3x" crop feature - which gives 15 MP images with a total crop factor of 2 (rounding), which gives a little more reach on telephoto lenses.

The smaller files also SLIGHTLY improve the buffer and fps issues. I think they say 7 fps in that mode. I often use it when shooting distant birds.

It doesn't address all your issues, but helps a bit on some.
Offered "FWIW" - I'm not saying you should change your mind and buy one on the strength of this knowledge :)

Cheers, Dave

I never put my Nikon in water so this thread is totally irrelevant to me. Anyway the cannon that could blow my Nikon out of the water is spelt differently.

Not sure that such emotive and uninformed thread headings are of any benefit to this site.

It would be a pretty sad world if we did not see continual improvement, is it not to be expected?

Oh, they beat some Nikon? Now see if they can beat Samsung. ;-)

This thread would have been of more value (at least entertaining) if the OP had limited the title to the first two words :eek:

Everyone who's putting all their Nikon gear up on eBay and running out to buy a 7Dm2, please raise your hand.... ;)

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This thread would have been of more value (at least entertaining) if the OP had limited the title to the first two words

Everyone who's putting all their Nikon gear up on eBay and running out to buy a 7Dm2, please raise your hand....

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This must be the scheme that's going on here :)

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It would be a pretty sad world if we did not see continual improvement, is it not to be expected?

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This is a very reasonable thought.

On shutter counts my Nikon 5700 from around 2004 has recently reached 11,000 so SC is the least of my concerns :)

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Originally Posted by AB26

Hey, I am a Nikon shooter. That Cannon blasts any DX Nikon to bits, sorry. :o

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Quote from DP Review's recent review of the 7D Mk2


Overall, the 7D II's improvements over other members of the Canon are significant. The original 7D has an excessive amount of banding when pushed this far. The 5D Mark III doesn't have as strong of a pattern, but vertical banding is still present. The 5D Mark III also has a lot of problems with chroma noise resulting in green and magenta blotches. The 70D and 7D Mark II look virtually the same, indicating similar technologies between the two. Interestingly, both of these APS-C cameras show similar, if not slightly better noise levels in comparison to the 5D Mark III, which is a notable improvement when you consider their smaller sensor sizes that inherently put them at a disadvantage when it comes to noise and dynamic range performance. There appears to have been a decrease in read noise that allows these APS-C sensors to pull up to the performance of the larger sensor 5D Mark III when it comes to base ISO dynamic range.


To put these improvements in perspective, though, we added the aging Nikon D7000 to the mix. The advantages of the Sony sensor in the D7000 are quite clear: despite a +5 EV push, even darker tones remain relatively noise-free. This is due to the D7000's low electronic noise, which gives it class-leading low ISO dynamic range in Raw - considerably in excess of any of the Canon bodies shown here.

Not exactly blasted out of the water when compared with the dated D7000....:)

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Originally Posted by JR1

Generalizations mean very little

I will take my D4s against the Canon any day

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That won't be fair play. Would it?

I am comparing Apples with Apples.

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Originally Posted by GrumpyDiver

One photographer and one set of photos does not make for a trend.

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No it does not. It only proves what the camera is capable of doing in the hands of a competent user. ;)

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Originally Posted by JR1

Blimy and I just spent £22k on Nikon gear this year, it's the difference in our tastes that makes us unique

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Jeremy, that depends on what you shoot and the standards YOU set.

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Originally Posted by NorthernFocus

Everyone who's putting all their Nikon gear up on eBay and running out to buy a 7Dm2, please raise your hand.... ;)

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Might be a proposition to those shooting Nikon D4 and D810 cameras having problems to lock focus on fast moving subjects like wildlife and BIF. :D

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Originally Posted by James G

Jeremy, no argument from me about shutter count... I'm just aware that its very high.... I've worked my 7D pretty hard.

If it fails (and I've never managed to work a camera to death yet even though I do try), I'm more inclined to have the camera fixed, since I'm no way sure my photography would be significantly, if at all improved, by the acquisition of the MK11.

That said, the little boy in me loves the idea of a shiny new toy with all the 'latest' gadgets....:) ;)

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Don't we all.

I only have what I have because my father died and left me some money to start my own business at 57, I have drempt of owning good gear, but to this time I had 2, D7000s and for sports they were great

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Originally Posted by AB26

Jeremy, that depends on what you shoot and the standards YOU set.

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As I said in another post, just now, had my father not died and left me money to really get my small business going (at 57) I would never own what I do now, I had 2x D7000 and they were brilliant, I am just lucky to have been able to get what I have, and it is like having a small Ford and being able to get a Ferari

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Originally Posted by AB26

That won't be fair play. Would it?

I am comparing Apples with Apples.

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100% and you are right, in what you say.

Ill take my D7100 and use that in place of the D4s

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Originally Posted by NorthernFocus

This thread would have been of more value (at least entertaining) if the OP had limited the title to the first two words :eek:

Everyone who's putting all their Nikon gear up on eBay and running out to buy a 7Dm2, please raise your hand.... ;)

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In fact if you look at London Camera Exchange as I do daily and have do for years (for a bargain) Sony are THE most sold cameras second hand and then CANON, one assumes because people finally realise that Nikon is what they should have bought and are selling their kits to get the best, Nikon

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

For Nikon users the D7 Mk2 should be good news.
Canon has produced an APS-C sensor camera that is playing in the same league as the 1Dx.

Will Nikon “hit” back with a mini D4s? Let’s wait and see. :)

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Originally Posted by AB26

For Nikon users the D7 Mk2 should be good news.
Canon has produced an APS-C sensor camera that is playing in the same league as the 1Dx.

Will Nikon “hit” back with a mini D4s? Let’s wait and see. :)

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That WILL be interesting

Though (and I know this doesn't apply to you) too many people get hung up on sensors, and forget that D4s money buys you more, sealing, 400,000+ shutter counts, mag alloy 100% body etc, I use my camera in pouring rain

But the lines are getting far too blurred now. Once you had, (an exageration) a beginners range, am/pro and then pro, now for just a few pounds more you can go up and up and up the range !!!!!!!!!!

Me I am waiting to see the D5 :)