Amaryllis 2015

[Marie Hass]

Now, Rob,

I know your comment was related to Frank's post, but truly you are baiting the bull!!!! (I will not look....I will not look....Oh @#$@# let me see!!!)

'Rie

[ashcroft]

Now, Rob,

I know your comment was related to Frank's post, but truly you are baiting the bull!!!! (I will not look....I will not look....Oh @#$@# let me see!!!)

'Rie

Hmm. That's the first time a lady has ever described me as a Matador! Personally, I have always seen myself as that little bald-headed guy who goes around the arena after the spectacle is over scooping up the bull-**** with a shovel. But I thank you for the compliment.

What lights did you buy from B&H? Just asking.

[Marie Hass]

Dear Rob,

It ws kinda hard to refer to myself as a heifer. !!!!

I have purchased nothing from B&H yet.

I have 2 clip on painter's lights that serve as my continuous lighting. I used a 100 watt halogen lightbulb in each. A friend gave me 2 broken stands that I adjust to height with office clips (that have occasionally flown off, causing the whole assembly to implode). If I need a diffuser I taped a white piece of 8.5X11 copy paper over the reflectors. I use my Canon 420 EX ll Speedlite with a white piece of copy paper held in front (as necessary).

My white background is a trifold presetation board or, for these pictures, a black presentation board leaned against the wall. The white trifold presentation board also serves as a reflector if necessary. I also have a smaller white presentation board that I stage my smaller displays on.

So - yes - I want a lot from B&H. It is just that money is tight right now.

'Rie

[FrankMi]

We can soon fix that http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse...1/N/4294551176

Go on... do it.

LOL! You ARE a trouble maker, aren't you?

OK, I went and took a look but the fog of confusion set in. I think I need to start with looking up some tutorials on using lighting to model shapes. That should give me some insight into what lighting would be most appropriate for a beginner, then back to your link for an effective selection.

Meanwhile, I'll see what Marie uses and how her results turn out.

Thanks, Rob!

[Marie Hass]

Dear Frank,

I posted what I use in post 83.

I have 2 clip on painter's lights that serve as my continuous lighting. I used a 100 watt halogen lightbulb in each. A friend gave me 2 broken stands that I adjust to height with office clips (that have occasionally flown off, causing the whole assembly to implode). If I need a diffuser I taped a white piece of 8.5X11 copy paper over the reflectors. I use my Canon 420 EX ll Speedlite with a white piece of copy paper held in front (as necessary).

My white background is a trifold presetation board or, for these pictures, a black presentation board leaned against the wall. The white trifold presentation board also serves as a reflector if necessary. I also have a smaller white presentation board that I stage my smaller displays on.

Lighting on a budget.

'Rie

[FrankMi]

Dear Frank,

I posted what I use in post 83.

Lighting on a budget.

'Rie

Thank you Marie. I had noticed that. My comment was more forward looking as your experience progresses.

I have a white and a black poster-board that I sometimes use and a couple of LED lights on flexible goosenecks. I also have an CFL light on a stand.

None of it works very well! I don't seem to be able to either white or black backgrounds with the poster-board and the CFL gives color balance problems in mixed lighting. The LEDs are fine so long as the subject is quite small.

I am hoping to learn from your dedicated and well documented experiences!

[Marie Hass]

Dear Frank,

What I am learning is not to mix my lighting, which you already know. I have had some horrible results when I try to adjust my WB. Even flash with the different temperatures of continuous lighting has produced results that have not been, for me, fixable (maybe someone else more skilled.) I am learning about distance from subject, light intensity, shadows, light modifiers and many other details that have left me speaking in tongues (not a good thing).

Money is very tight. I will have to be inventive in working with what I have.

You are doing some incredible work Please continue.

'Rie

[Loose Canon]

Hey Guys?

Even if you have flashes from the same manufacturer and the same model of flash (considering you are shooting multiple flashes), but shoot them at differing power levels, you will still get differing color temperatures between the individual flashes. The difference is quite noticeable. Never mind if you are shooting continuous and/or ambient in conjunction with a flash or multiple flash which hugely compounds the issue.

There is just no way you can get a true white balance and true dead-on balls accurate color with this no matter what you do. It is just a fact of Life.

If you want to test this theory just take a minute to shoot all of your lights side by side from the same distance at a totally white BG and at different power levels. Then take them into your converter and take some color samples. I’ve done this myself because I figure the better I know the gear I’m shooting with the more effective I can be with it.

The only solution available is to throw relatively more $$ into the problem because the medium (and only some of that) to higher end gear has this light color temperature consistency throughout the power range.

But this is by no means a shot-stopper nor should it deter anyone from using the lights available to do what you guys are doing. We don’t have to toss a lot of bucks into the mix necessarily to get cool results. I applaud the shots you guys are doing with your lighting and you are finding out what it takes. That you are also seeing this phenomenon only says that you are really seeing the up-close detail and that you are seeing “Light” in a completely different, well, light! Let’s just face it! What you guys are seeing most folks don’t because they are not looking for or at it if that tells you anything.

So while it may be irritating if you can see it, and its cool that you obviously can, and can’t get it right, which you can’t, and if you are not shooting for a “Client” that has to have dead on color accuracy and are shooting for yourself to learn lighting, just shoot your gray card in the lighting senario, adjust for the reference, and then further adjust for your preference if needed, and just let the chips fall where they may! Now how was that for a huge run-on sentence?!?

You are killing it (as they say) with what you are doing! I have never seen any past posts that have come close to what you are getting out of this and “seeing”. I admire the approach and what you are making happen.

[Loose Canon]

While I am spewing I might also add that I have heard it said that a light source is a light source.

Maybe, maybe not. I don’t necessarily agree with that theory, but it is true as a light source provides light. But what is the most important thing about lighting, at least with what I use them for, is the modifiers used for a light source.

When considering light temps, a modifier, or different modifiers, will affect the color temp. in as many hugely different ways as according to differing manufacturers or DIY modifiers.

[purplehaze]

Lighting on a budget.
'Rie

Hey, 'Rie. It's great to see a fellow traveller on this path and I expect to learn much from you. In case you don't already know, David Hobby has collected a useful list of DIY lighting accessories on his Stobist site. You can find it here.

[Marie Hass]

Cool!!!!! I have already had a look at how to make a beauty dish. Thank you, Jan!!!!

'Rie