Expect what from new 5DS R

[chauncey]

I currently use a 1Ds3 and will be buying the 5DS R, without AA Filter, for my studio floral
stuff and some landscape, and...am a avid PS CC user.

When I open an image on my monitor, am I going to notice a difference in overall IQ with
this new body or is that image merely going to be larger in size?

[Manfred M]

When I open an image on my monitor, am I going to notice a difference in overall IQ with
this new body or is that image merely going to be larger in size?

You will only see a difference when you pixel peep. Your computer screen running Photoshop will continue to display images the same way it does today, based on the resolution you have set it to. If you are shooting full frame today and full frame tomorrow; 100% image size will not change.

Unless you are creating large prints, I would be very surprised if you saw any difference in the image quality between the cameras. In fact, unless you do that, I would suggest sticking with your current gear as you'll never be able to tell and upgrading would probably be a waste of money. Computer screen resolution (even on the newer 4K screens) is simply not going to justify anything over about a 12MP camera; remember that you are downsampling image files, even on your current camera to display them on your screen.

[AB26]

the 5DS R, without AA Filter

Has Canon released a 5Ds R?

[DanK]

Unless you are creating large prints, I would be very surprised if you saw any difference in the image quality between the cameras.

I'm guessing that this would be very large, unless one crops quite a bit. At 300 ppi, which is the native resolution of my printer, a 5D3 image has to be larger than 13 x 19 (33 x 48 cm) before any uprezzing would be needed, and from what I have read, you can go way past that limit without substantial effects. Check out this.

[chauncey]

Has Canon released a 5Ds R?

http://www.canonrumors.com/

I give new meaning to the term "anal retentive", to the point that I usually only use either a 180
macro or a 300 f/2.8 mounted on that 1Ds3, as they allow me to pixel-peep to my heart's content.
That's where I wish to see improvement!

[Nicks Pics]

According to my understanding, Manfred explained the situation correctly. I too doubt you will see much/any difference, but theoretically, if the new and previous cameras use the same sensor technology, and the sensors are the same size, you may get quality comparable to a crop frame, because there would be a similar pixel density. What it would allow you to do more, is to print very large, and, if you like doing composites and graphic design, you will be able cut small pieces out of the pictures and they will still have good resolution.

[Manfred M]

http://www.canonrumors.com/

I give new meaning to the term "anal retentive", to the point that I usually only use either a 180
macro or a 300 f/2.8 mounted on that 1Ds3, as they allow me to pixel-peep to my heart's content.
That's where I wish to see improvement!

In that case, I suggest that you invest in a heavy duty, columnless tripod with a heavy duty head and sandbag it when shooting, otherwise you will be disappointed by the blurred pixels. Shoot at f/8, otherwise you will be diffraction limited, especially at pixel peeping distances.

Based on the press release you posted, this camera will be like Nikon's D800E, with an AA canceling filter, rather than something like the D810 which has no AA filter at all.

Throw in a new 4TB hard drive or two on your computer as you will eat up storage space.

Incidently, I'm not joking at all. These are all things I did when I got the D800, although I can shoot down to f/11 without worrying about the diffraction limit. And I don't pixel peep, but do print large print sizes.

[chauncey]

Thanks Manfred but, I already use a heavy video tripod and got the computer end covered.

[pnodrog]

Thanks Manfred but, I already use a heavy video tripod and got the computer end covered.

Yep I've got them covered too. Main problem is I have Nikon lenses and no purchase permission from my wife but when it gets down under $600 I will add it to my shopping list regardless.

If the manufactures move to greater and greater pixel counts will there be a move from zoom lenses to prime lenses? The cropping available will probably equate to at least a 1.5x zoom factor and at 100 mega-pixels a zoom factor of about 3x. I can see my kit just comprising of the following prime lenses 15mm, 50mm, 105mm macro and a 400mm all f2.8 or faster and not a zoom in sight. Come to think of it back in 1975 I only had a 45mm, 75mm and 150mm for my Bronica and it basically did everything I wanted.

[Loose Canon]

If I had the camera you are presently using, and thought I needed something significantly better I would be looking at medium or large (with tilt/shift) format and whoppin’ digital backs! More megapixels but on larger sensors.

In the real world for most uses (and printing billboards or working commercially for clients who demand that high resolution would be the only reasons I could think of right off) I can’t see the new 5 making that much difference. Sure, maybe when you pixel peep you might notice a negligible difference. But not noticeable for day-to-day presentations and printing. Other than photographers no one views a presentation at 400%!

I know this isn’t going to be as sexy an option as a new camera but I would submit that if you are looking to do and improve studio work the logical choice would be to instead invest in good studio gear. Good lights, good modifiers, and plenty of grip/accouterments to go around! It seems to me this choice would go further to improve studio work and with greater potential than more megapixels jammed on the same size sensor you are already using. Especially since you are already shooting full frame.

And if I were going to replace a tripod for studio use I would replace it with a mono stand.

[chauncey]

Back when I bought the 1Ds3, I wanted a camera that could do all that I might want to do.
I didn't want my gear to hold me back from trying anything, from BIF to macro...it has served me well.

That was then, when I was younger and more able to be out and about...now, age is catching up
and am more likely to shoot indoors and, am more prone to consider "need" as opposed to "want".
The improved versatility doesn't seem to be as important as it once was. That ole camera has the
feel of that ole pair of slippers that sure do feel comfortable when lounging around.

Regardless, I read this morning that availability is June...lots of time to change my mind.

[Manfred M]

Chauncey - just a thought or two. Since I bought the D800 four years ago, my investment in "camera gear" has been quite light. I did by a 14-24mm lens just after I got the camera and last year I purchased the f/3.5 24mm PC-E lens to improve my architectural work and I did drop money on a mFT body (I already owned the lenses; they were for my mFT video camera).

What I did invest in was lighting equipment; 4 heads, light modifiers, stands, etc to the tune of a fair bit of cash; more in fact than I would have spent had I upgraded my camera body.

With the type of shooting you are doing, I wonder if you wouldn't get more mileage out of doing this (as per Terry's suggestion) than going for a new camera body that isn't going to really have any more than a marginal impact on your image quality. Yes, I agree, everyone would like a new toy, but picking the right toy is always the hard part.

Just to add to Terry's comments, I've also had a hard look at medium format (both film and digital) and large format; but effectively reached the same conclusion he did. My "studio" is too makeshift to look at a mono stand, but if I every go medium format, that will be in the budget for sure.

[DanK]

Folks might find this interview with Chuck Westfall relevant. Canon is not presenting the 5DS/R as clearly superior to the 5D3 for all users. I have a 5D3, so this may sound like rationalization, but if I had neither, I what I would take away from his interview is that for my purposes, the 5D3 is superior. YMMV, of course, depending on your uses and tastes.

[Glenn NK]

I currently use a 1Ds3 and will be buying the 5DS R, without AA Filter, for my studio floral
stuff and some landscape, and...am a avid PS CC user.

When I open an image on my monitor, am I going to notice a difference in overall IQ with
this new body or is that image merely going to be larger in size?

One thing you may find is more seemingly out of focus images.

When Nikon unveiled the D800 series, it was soon discovered that the small pixels (higher pixel density) was not as forgiving of small movements during exposure. Technique, sturdy tripods and higher shutter speeds are required as the pixel density increases.

This was noted on various threads and was covered in good detail on Naturescapes.

With the advent of the Canon 7DII, the users of this body recently rediscovered it.

Glenn

[Mike Buckley]

Good lights, good modifiers, and plenty of grip/accouterments to go around!

Be sure to include a cup holder in your list of accoutrements.

[AB26]

http://www.canonrumors.com/

I give new meaning to the term "anal retentive", to the point that I usually only use either a 180
macro or a 300 f/2.8 mounted on that 1Ds3, as they allow me to pixel-peep to my heart's content.
That's where I wish to see improvement!

William,

I have reason to believe you will see improvement.