A similar but warmer and brighter scene

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Originally Posted by GrumpyDiver

I would suspect that this feature impacts jpegs only.

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Originally Posted by bnnrcn

it is already impossible to shoot raw images in B&W , so if someone wants to try those filters he/she has to shoot JPEGs besides RAW images anyway :rolleyes:

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I did it while shooting raw only, with no JPEG. :)


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On my Nikon D7000, the monochrome setting can be configured as a Picture Control, so it is definitely applied to raw files. Once you have configured the setting, you can then fine tune it by applying one of the four color filters or you can configure no filter. Neither the manual nor the camera's built-in help screen explains what happens when you configure no filter. I wonder in that situation if the image is desaturated rather than converted. Naturally, as you convert the raw file using post-processing software, you can choose to continue with the monochrome rendition or not that was applied by the camera so long as the software is made by Nikon or effectively emulates Nikon's Picture Control settings.

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On my Nikon D7000, once the image has been captured, the post-processing capabilities built into the camera include changing the color image to black-and-white, sepia or cyanotype. These can be applied to the display of the raw file. However, unlike the above explanation, no color filters are available when changing to black-and-white. Neither the manual nor the help screen explains whether the image is desaturated or converted. As above, you can choose to continue with the black-and-white rendition or not when you convert the raw file using post-processing software.

Mike - I believe what is happening in your case is that the camera Picture Control settings are being applied to the jpeg that you view on your camera's screen and this is also being written to the metadata. If the editor you are using reads the metadata, it will apply that as a starting point when you edit the raw data.

It may sound like a bit of splitting hairs; but all the data in the raw files is still there any you can eliminate any of the presets applied during the edit process. The jpeg (if you shoot jpeg + raw, like I do), will be a true B&W image.

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Originally Posted by GrumpyDiver

I believe what is happening in your case is that the camera Picture Control settings are being applied to the jpeg that you view on your camera's screen and this is also being written to the metadata. If the editor you are using reads the metadata, it will apply that as a starting point when you edit the raw data.

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Exactly. The point is that the information is applied to the raw file and no separate JPEG is needed.

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It may sound like a bit of splitting hairs; but all the data in the raw files is still there any you can eliminate any of the presets applied during the edit process. The jpeg (if you shoot jpeg + raw, like I do), will be a true B&W image.

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I don't understand why the JPEG is considered to be a "true B&W image" as if the raw file doesn't have the exact same information or is any less true.

The colours are stunning, especially reflected in the lake..............My personal favourite is Mono but I love it when some images just look better in colour. You don't have to make a decision about choosing Black and white or colour........do both, you will know which ones look better Mono or Colour......most of my favourite shots are B&W but a few are colour.....go with the flow and follow your heart....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that is all that matters. :)

Very colorful image Binnur.

My recommendation would be a nice red wine watching this sunset. :)

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Originally Posted by Mike Buckley

I don't understand why the JPEG is considered to be a "true B&W image" as if the raw file doesn't have the exact same information or is any less true.

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Not quite, the raw file contains different data for each colour channel, so you can go colour or B&W. In the jpeg, the colour channels are set to identical values for each pixel, so there is no way of going back to a colour image with the data in the jpeg.

In many ways this is like B&W film; all you get is B&W, whereas with colour film, in theory, you can convert to B&W.

My guess is that due to your background as a black-and-white film photographer, the definition of a "true" black-and-white file is different from mine. Your perspective about that is probably different from mine, with neither of our perspectives being incorrect (just different).

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Originally Posted by Mike Buckley

My guess is that due to your background as a black-and-white film photographer, the definition of a "true" black-and-white file is different from mine. Your perspective about that is probably different from mine, with neither of our perspectives being incorrect (just different).

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Agreed Mike. We come from different photographic eras. My knowledge and skill set is definitely influenced by my film experience, while your background is purely digital. That means we do approach things differently.

I remember my oldest daughter being totally confused the first time she saw a B&W program on TV. The whole concept of monochrome really confused her (she was probably 5 or 6 at the time). After a bit she settled down and caught on to the concept and enjoyed the rest of the program.

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Originally Posted by GrumpyDiver

your background is purely digital.

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Actually, that's not true. The most amount of my time as measured in years was spent as a color slide photographer. That was from 1983 to about 2003. It's only in the last 12 years or so that I have been doing digital photography. That information is just for your frame of reference and is otherwise unimportant in my mind.

Thank you very much for your encouraging color Joanne, I'm glad that you liked the image :)

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Originally Posted by mammarazzi

The colours are stunning, especially reflected in the lake..............My personal favourite is Mono but I love it when some images just look better in colour. You don't have to make a decision about choosing Black and white or colour........do both, you will know which ones look better Mono or Colour......most of my favourite shots are B&W but a few are colour.....go with the flow and follow your heart....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that is all that matters. :)

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Thank you so much Jim. Yes, red wine would be nice :)

Manfred and Mike, thanks for the further explanations :)

Wow! Love the sky and the reflections in the lake.

Very nice Binnur :)

Thanks Matt, not to everyone's taste, but I guessed you would like it:)

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Originally Posted by Rebel

Wow! Love the sky and the reflections in the lake.

Very nice Binnur :)

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