Image from EOS 700D and 7D

[thenuts15]

Hi,

would like to know will there be any significant difference taking same photo from same distance and same setting using both EOS 700D and 7D?

[Saorsa]

Probably not much. They are very similar cameras with the 70D being the midrange camera and the 700D being the entry level.

You can see a detailed technical comparison at DPReview which is much more of a gear site.

The only non-minor difference I see on a quick scan is the number of megapixels (18 vs 20) which give you a bit of latitude for cropping. So long as both cameras are capable of the same settings (minimum shutter speed is different for exampe) I would expect very similar results.

[Dave Humphries]

I'm not a Canon person (if you don't count my S100), but the difference between the 7D (not 70D) and 700D appear to be mainly ergonomic, in both; the sensor has the same max. area of 5184 x 3456 pixels. (it may even be the same sensor for all I know).

There are pros and cons with either 7D and 700D; I believe the 700D is a newer release, judging by the image processing chip, although most will say the 7D will win on ergonomics. Since the sensor technology is very likely identical, I suspect you won't see a difference in RAW image quality, certainly not after competent post processing.

BTW The 70D has 5472 x 3648 pixels, which is only about 300 extra on the longest edge, so even that is not going to make as much difference in cropping terms as the MP figures might suggest.

Revised link to DPReview comparison (7D, 700D, 70D), although I note their data is not complete in some areas for some models.

[rpcrowe]

I have been using Canon xxD cameras since I started with the 10D. I deviated once and purchased a 350D which I hated for its lousy ergonomics and terrible control system. I never purchased another xxxD camera since I made that original mistake.

Can I get better images with the xxD cameras? Probably not but, often I can get an image that I would have missed if I had to revert to the menu of an xxxD camera to change my shooting parameters...

[Black Pearl]

Depends on what you're taking pictures of?

[thenuts15]

The reason i asked is bc i noticed the picture taken by 7D camera r much super sharp compare to my camera 700D which look more pixalated if zoom in.

[Black Pearl]

Assuming the pictures you've seem from a 7D aren't yours then its almost certainly down to better technique, the correct technique for a given shot, a better understanding of the various stages of file processing and sharpening or possibly just better lenses.

Do you shoot in JPEG or RAW?
What software do you use and how well do you understand it?
What sharpening process do you apply to your files?
Do you fully understand how camera and subject movement can affect sharpness?
Do you use a tripod and if so how good is it?
What lenses do you have and how do you use them?

[James G]

7D camera r much super sharp compare to my camera 700D which look more pixalated if zoom in.

+1 to Robin and Daves' comments.

I upgraded from EOS 450D to the 7D mk1 about 6 years ago. At the time the 700D was not avaiable. My reason at the time was definately ergonomics.

You are zooming in to compare images from both cameras, but I'd suggest that if you want a valid comparison, you really need to carry out a controlled test with the same lens mounted on each camera, and the same shot captured in RAW, using identical camera settings. I'd also suggest mounting on a tripod and ensuring that IS, if available, is switched off.

One final point, if you have to zoom in to find when pixelation? starts, it suggests to me that there is not much real difference.

[thenuts15]

Thanks guys for the great feedback.

I am currently using EOS 700D on 135mm lens and have been using it for almost a year now mainly for travelling photography and corporate function.Would like to get recommendations on speedlite for my level from you guys...also was wondering does RC-6 really work on EOS 700D..

Thank you.

[Black Pearl]

To be brutally honest you would be far better off dealing with the quality issues you are having with the equipment you have now before adding more kit and introducing further problems.

Why not post a couple of shots with full details of the exposure settings, how precisely how you processed the file and what you feel is wrong with them. There are some extremely talented and very helpful members here who will trouble shoot these in a more specific way than the general help above.

[Donald]

I would very much agree with Robin.

If you look at your posts, Godfrey, you have moved on from asking about the quality of images from a 700D compared to a 7D, to asking about Speedlites. You seem to be concentrating on equipment and what you think you need to purchase in order to make better pictures.

With great respect and with the aim of helping you make better pictures, I do think you need to read carefully what Robin has written immediately above. More equipment is not going to make you a better photographer. Practicing and mastering your technique and increasing your skill level will.

[James G]

Godfrey, I'm not an expert or great user of flash, I mostly use it in the field for fill-in for macro photography, so in my case I use a ring flash or a twin light depending on subject. However I would not think they would be particularly appropriate for the two genres you mentioned. There is a full range of speedlites listed in the technical specification for the camera, but specific choice is going to be a combination of cost/budget and intended use.
As regards the remote control, it is a standard Canon accessory. The manual for the 700D specifically recommends the Remote Switch RS-60E3 and the Remote Controller RC-6.

I'd agree with Robin and Donald that in order to give really constructive help, we need to understand more about the type of image you are interested in and see examples of the images you feel need improvement?

[thenuts15]

Sorry for the late reply,was searching for my old sites where i uploaded my picture album.
Below is the URL to my site which i shot for the 1st time from a DSLR Camera EOS700D


In comparison with a smartphone camera(at least 5MP) and professional level DSLR,i found that my pictures arent that sharp.Yeah i know I am a newbie.Still learning.Hope to get some guidance.Thank you in advance.

[Black Pearl]

Sorry but none of those links are valid/live



Please read back through this thread and try to answer some of the questions asked.
Please post some examples directly here for specific advice.
Please believe it is not your equipment just a misunderstanding as to how to get the best from it and we can help you.

[thenuts15]

I am having problem uploading the pictures to here.Anyway these are the links.
https://singaporetrip2015.shutterfly.com/pictures/890
https://singaporetrip2015.shutterfly.com/pictures/896
https://singaporetrip2015.shutterfly.com/pictures/901
https://singaporetrip2015.shutterfly.com/pictures/854

These are my photo album using EOS 700D for the 1st time.
https://singaporetrip2015.shutterfly.com/pictures

[Black Pearl]

From what I can see you have used the camera on automatic, shot in JPEG and have done nothing with the files?

Street photography, particularly in low light situations, benefits from a large aperture lens, user control over ISO and careful processing to tweak the most from the raw file.
City skylines - at night - should be shot using a tripod, a remote or delayed release, low iso, and again careful processing off the raw files.

As I suspected all of your issues are down to inexperience - not a criticism - so you have to change your way of thinking before you can move on.

Its not the gear its you.

Start by reading the tutorial on this site, they will help - ask questions if there is anything you don't quite understand.
Get a good book on the basic principals of photography - particularly exposure.
Walk before you run - go out in good light and start with the basics: aperture - shutter speed - iso

Post one or two specific shots in a new thread - include the shooting data and ask for advice on how to improve them. Pick shots you are particularly unhappy with to see where you have gone wrong the most. A DSLR is a great tool, yours in particular is capable of extremely high quality shots if it is used correctly. There is some serious talent here, use it to improve.

[DanK]

Robin beat me to it.

The first DSLR I bought, years ago, was an XTi (400D)--an older an less capable version of the 700D. When I first started using it, I was startled: the images were less sharp than those from a cheaper camera I had earlier. The reason was simple enough. I was shooting jpeg, relying on whatever processing algorithms were loaded into the camera. My cheap camera, like many point-and-shoots, applied a great deal of sharpening. the Canon didn't. Of course, I realized I could just sharpen myself. The underlying image quality from the 400D was far better; the camera's postprocessing simply applied less sharpening.

The bottom line is that one can get professional-level images from a 700D, assuming a decent lens. And if you put a more expensive camera on auto and just point it and shoot, you will often get images that are, to say the least, disappointing.

[Manfred M]

Godfrey - let me throw an analogy at you.

Let's say you are currently driving a small family car with a small economical engine that you use to run around with.

You go somewhere on a trip and rent a turbo-charged, high-end 4x4 Sports Utilitity Vehicle (SUV). Would you get the same experience if you drove the rental car the same way as your current car? I suspect the answer would be no. You might start out that way, but as you got used to the higher end vehicle, you might use it to take you places that the family car couldn't as you learn to use its capabilities. In the beginning you might have problems with the larger size and more powerful engine and would probably feel a bit uncomfortable driving it.

So to Robin's point, you really are in a similar situation with the DSLR versus camera phone. You have a lot of experience with the camera phone so you know its limits and can squeeze the best out of it. The EOS 700D is a bit like the SUV I describe; you are just getting started and are reverting to using it like the small family car and unsurprisingly, while it may have more features, you are reverting to your "comfort zone". Learn how to drive it and get some practice under your belt, and you'll be capable of driving places your normal car could never get you. There might be some great images at the top of that snow covered, mountain road that is off the beaten track!

Look at your new camera and start learning its features. Until you do, I expect you will get worse images than you do with your camera phone, but once you do figure it out, you'll be shooting far better images than you do today.

[mknittle]

I have been using Canon xxD cameras since I started with the 10D. I deviated once and purchased a 350D which I hated for its lousy ergonomics and terrible control system. I never purchased another xxxD camera since I made that original mistake.

Can I get better images with the xxD cameras? Probably not but, often I can get an image that I would have missed if I had to revert to the menu of an xxxD camera to change my shooting parameters...

I found that to be a problem with my first 1000d wading through menus for settings. Only to look up and have nothing to shoot I don't have that problem as often with my 7D

[Dave Humphries]

I found that to be a problem with my first 1000d wading through menus for settings. Only to look up and have nothing to shoot I don't have that problem as often with my 7D

Godfrey,

Just to clarify Mark's comment, this is not because the 7D produces better pictures, it is because it is ergonomically a better camera to operate - if you know how to use it - and you can learn the basics of that on your 700D, as long as the subject doesn't run/fly away

I'll also recommend the tutorials on this site to you.

Dave