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    An evening in Dardanelles

    An evening in Dardanelles

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Nice silhouette.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Thanks Shadowman

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    Ahmet - the first thing that strikes me with this image is that you have a dirty sensor and you should try running the cleaning cycle several times on your camera to see if that helps at all. There are sensor dust spots all over the sky in this image.

    The composition is not quite working for me either. These silhouettes can be tricky to pull off as they tend to be high contrast and hard-edged. You are shooting across the water, which tends to be a hazy and humid environment and that has an overall softening effect on the shot, so while this is technically a silhouette, it is not working as well as it could.

    It also seems to me that this is a colour image, and that introduces a bit of a strange colour cast. I suspect a B&W conversion might be a better approach.

    The final thing that doesn't quite work here are the horizontal lines. Neither the horizon sees to be straight; this would be due to the camera not being 100% level. The curb on the road slants upward from the left to the right and that comes from not shooting perpendicular to the road, but at an angle. The light is not completely vertical, but that is likely just the way it is.

    All these things come together and result in an image that isn't as strong as it could be.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Manfred, thank you very much for your comments. Spending your spare time to comment about my photos is very valuable for me. They help me to realize and correct my mistakes( the reason why l am sending my photos here) .I believe it is the only way for me to improve it. I am sure it will take time to understand and internalize it.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmetmacitsahin View Post
    Manfred, thank you very much for your comments. Spending your spare time to comment about my photos is very valuable for me. They help me to realize and correct my mistakes( the reason why l am sending my photos here) .I believe it is the only way for me to improve it. I am sure it will take time to understand and internalize it.
    Don't look at these as "mistakes" - these things (other than the dust spots) might be the right thing to do under different shooting conditions. One of my favourite quotes from the famous photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson is "your first 10 000 images are your worst". He is definitely correct!

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    There are items here which I like Ahmet. So I think the scene has potential.

    You have kept the black area at the bottom nicely narrow and an interesting position between the figure, boat and the lamp post.

    But, as well as Manfred's comments, I'm not keen on that black object in the bottom right corner and I wonder if the figure might work better if she was slightly closer to the frame edge. Which leads me to consider a crop from the right side and have a different size ratio?

    If necessary, you could also lose a fraction from the bottom and left side if you wanted to 'force' the scene into a standard frame size.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Ahmet, I am wondering what software you use for editing your shots...can you tell us so we can be of further help to you?

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Thank you very much for your comments Geoff. Each comment creats a different perspective for me. I agree with you. The black object on the right should be cracked . You are right about the woman. It will be better if she was closer to the right side or I should have shot it two or three steps before. I have a sony a 6000 and it doest't have a crop or I haven't been able to discovered it yet.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    If necessary, you could also lose a fraction from the bottom and left side if you wanted to 'force' the scene into a standard frame size.
    Geoff, I don't understand what you mean that.
    Last edited by Dave Humphries; 12th April 2016 at 07:44 PM.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Hi Izzie,
    I don't have any software for editting and I don't know how to use it either.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmetmacitsahin View Post
    Hi Izzie,
    I don't have any software for editting and I don't know how to use it either.
    I think you will find virtually all of the members on this site use some form of post-processing, so the general assumption was that you likely do as well. Getting everything right in-camera is quite difficult, so a bit of tweaking to major surgery goes on behind the scenes in most images; this can be as simple as minor exposure adjustments, straightening out the horizon on a shot, etc. That is not only here, but in virtually any image you see commercially.

    The other issue is that your camera captures far more data than can be displayed in a jpeg image on a computer screen. Your camera converts the data it captures into jpeg files, but is also capable (if you set it this way) to store ALL that data it captured as a "raw" data file. So many advanced amateur photographers, as well as commercial photographers take advantage of this additional data and manipulate it in post-production software. That way they can decide what data to use in the final image, rather than letting the camera software decide. In the hands of an experienced user, will always result in a superior image,

    Your camera likely came with a disk and it contains the camera maker's editing software. I know Sony does this as one of the other members uses it in his work. You might want to go back and check, and if not, you should be able to download it from the Sony site.
    Last edited by Manfred M; 12th April 2016 at 02:25 PM.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Ahmet...I would like to introduce you to what postprocessing can do...this image below is yours but I edited it in less than 5 minutes...not the best yet but sort of "it will do for now.." if you know what I mean...

    An evening in Dardanelles

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Wow! It is amazing. Thank you very much Izzie. I liked it very much. I see what l can do with post-processing now.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmetmacitsahin View Post
    If necessary, you could also lose a fraction from the bottom and left side if you wanted to 'force' the scene into a standard frame size.
    Geoff, I don't understand what you mean that.
    Once you start cropping your images with editing software you will see that you can make your scene fit 'standard' paper sizes, for example 3 x 2 ratio for a 12 x 8 ins print (which is almost the A size paper range) or 5 x 4 ratio which is the old 'Imperial' paper sizes (10 x 8 ins) and a few others which have become regular sizes with the makers of photo frames etc.

    So if you wanted to fit your image to one of these ratios you have to find a crop composition which looks good at the required ratio. This means 'forcing' your image into a regular size by taking a bit from the top/bottom to match a crop from the sides.

    Alternatively you can go 'freestyle' and just crop off whatever is a problem without worrying about matching to a paper/print frame size. That is the easy option but the downside will become obvious if you ever wanted to print and frame the image.

    And just to make things extra difficult, different camera makes have their own default image size ratios depending on the camera sensor size.

    Which is why many of us think about the expected print size, after cropping, before actually pressing the shutter.
    Last edited by Dave Humphries; 12th April 2016 at 07:46 PM.

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    Re: An evening in Dardanelles

    Hi Manfred, thank you very much for all these long explanations. I didn't receive any disk with my camera. I will call the company tomorrow and ask the what l can do.

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