Tried to research this with no success...

[rpcrowe]

The main problem I have shooting with my 7D and 7DII cameras is that Canon has (for some strange reason) reversed the dial controls.

On all prior Canon DSLR cameras with which I have shot (10D, 30D, 40D, 5D2 and 7D) there are buttons across the camera, with each of the buttons controlling two functions....



Modifying these functions is done with the two control dials. On all the previous cameras, the first function listed by each button (such as Drive, by the Drive - AF button) is controlled by the main button on top of the camera while the second function listed is controlled by the large Quick Control Dial at the back of the camera.

However, my Canon 7D Mark-2 has reversed that sequence. The first listed function is controlled by the large Quick Control Dial while the second listed function is controlled by the main dial atop the camera...

This really disturbs me since I often shoot with two cameras and I am used to modifying the various functions without looking at them, just by pressing the appropriate button and using the correct dial.

Is there any way that the 7D Mark-2 (or possibly the 7D) could be modified so that both of my cameras use the same dial to modify the controls? This would make shooting a LOT EASIER for me...

I am thinking that the Canon developer who reversed the dial sequence is Mrs. Takiyuma. You all know her, she doubles as the Ladies' Room Cleaner at the Canon Plant

Or did I press some magic button on my 7D2 which switched the dial sequence. I have been known to do things like that

[Ken MT]

Try page 445 of the manual
"You can assign often used functions to camera buttons or dials according to your preferences"

[xpatUSA]

Try page 445 of the manual
"You can assign often used functions to camera buttons or dials according to your preferences"

p 445, huh? How many pages total, out of interest? (I've never owned a Canon).

Probably bit more than the single folded sheet in six languages that comes with less serious ware . . .

[kazuyar]

you can switch the dials with nikon too

[tao2]

p 445, huh? How many pages total, out of interest? (I've never owned a Canon).

Probably bit more than the single folded sheet in six languages that comes with less serious ware . . .

Brownie 127?

[xpatUSA]

Brownie 127?

Sigma DP2

[Ken MT]

p 445, huh? How many pages total, out of interest? (I've never owned a Canon).

Probably bit more than the single folded sheet in six languages that comes with less serious ware . . .

548 - canons may be owned by more technical photographers

[xpatUSA]

548 - [Canons] may be owned by more technical photographers

that they might . . .

. . . maybe we could rank their technicality by the number of manual pages, eh?

[Tronhard]

548 - canons may be owned by more technical photographers

I remain amazed at how many people don't actually use their manual to look stuff up - Like software manuals of yore, I think most owners use them to prop up furniture or kill small animals with.

My manuals are still in their shrink wrap, but I have downloaded the PDFs of all of my gear and I find it very effective as I can search for a reference in the text very quickly, and I can take the manuals on my laptop, pad or a decent sized phone if I am going away. Otherwise I would probably want a portable bookcase! LOL!!!

[tao2]

Brownie 127?

Sigma DP2

... Aaaah Ted, yer being a wee bit disingenuous here. That single, folded sheet may be in the box but as most of us know - camera instructions rarely come in the box now and are downloaded from the manufacturers site. Sigma has, not one...but two manuals for the DP2...

[kazuyar]

I remain amazed at how many people don't actually use their manual to look stuff up - Like software manuals of yore, I think most owners use them to prop up furniture or kill small animals with.

My manuals are still in their shrink wrap, but I have downloaded the PDFs of all of my gear and I find it very effective as I can search for a reference in the text very quickly, and I can take the manuals on my laptop, pad or a decent sized phone if I am going away. Otherwise I would probably want a portable bookcase! LOL!!!

i download the pdf too but i only go to it as a last resort, also its surprising how much is not in the manual

[rpcrowe]

When I first came upon this in the manual:



I thought, how could I have missed this. However, after reading it again, I realize that it doesn't pertain to my problem. This reverses the direction to turn the dials under some specific circumstances.

I simply (or not so simply) would like to switch the functions of the two dials so that the Main Control Dial (atop the camera) controls the first of the two functions listed over the buttons on top of the camera and the Quick Control Dial (on the back of the camera) controls the second of the two functions. To make this control system the same as every other previous Canon DSLR camera!

[Tronhard]

Hi Richard:

Can I suggest going to this website and posing your question. It is the Canon Community forum and is monitored by Canon and by a lot of Canon high-end users, so you may have some joy there.

http://community.usa.canon.com/t5/EOS/bd-p/eos

[Ken MT]

When I first came upon this in the manual:



I thought, how could I have missed this. However, after reading it again, I realize that it doesn't pertain to my problem. This reverses the direction to turn the dials under some specific circumstances.

I simply (or not so simply) would like to switch the functions of the two dials so that the Main Control Dial (atop the camera) controls the first of the two functions listed over the buttons on top of the camera and the Quick Control Dial (on the back of the camera) controls the second of the two functions. To make this control system the same as every other previous Canon DSLR camera!

That is page 442, try page 445. Close!

[DanK]

When I first came upon this in the manual:



I thought, how could I have missed this. However, after reading it again, I realize that it doesn't pertain to my problem. This reverses the direction to turn the dials under some specific circumstances.

I simply (or not so simply) would like to switch the functions of the two dials so that the Main Control Dial (atop the camera) controls the first of the two functions listed over the buttons on top of the camera and the Quick Control Dial (on the back of the camera) controls the second of the two functions. To make this control system the same as every other previous Canon DSLR camera!

Yup. All of my xD and xxD cameras have had the option to reverse direction (which I use). I didn't look carefully but didn't find an option to switch the assignment of dials.

[xpatUSA]

... Aaaah Ted, yer being a wee bit disingenuous here. That single, folded sheet may be in the box but as most of us know - camera instructions rarely come in the box now and are downloaded from the manufacturers site. Sigma has, not one...but two manuals for the DP2...

My memory is failing me. My DP2s actually came with a full manual in . . . German. No folded sheet in there at all so in the end it had but one manual and that was in the box and long forgotten. "Long", for me, is anything over a few months.

Sorry about that, should never have responded to the Brownie quip . . .

[Tronhard]

I know what you mean KaZ... I was in the departure lounge for Air NZ, waiting to fly and I came across a library of books left by people who obviously didn't want them on board. Apart from many books in foreign languages, plus several copies of Fifty Shades of Grey, I came across the complete guide to the Canon 7D - a camera I own. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth I snapped it up and since then have picked up a few tricks not shown in the official bible.

i download the pdf too but i only go to it as a last resort, also its surprising how much is not in the manual

[george013]

When I first came upon this in the manual:



I thought, how could I have missed this. However, after reading it again, I realize that it doesn't pertain to my problem. This reverses the direction to turn the dials under some specific circumstances.

I simply (or not so simply) would like to switch the functions of the two dials so that the Main Control Dial (atop the camera) controls the first of the two functions listed over the buttons on top of the camera and the Quick Control Dial (on the back of the camera) controls the second of the two functions. To make this control system the same as every other previous Canon DSLR camera!

There seem to be more manuals. This one contains 296 pages. http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/6/030000..._Manual_EN.pdf
On page 232 how to change them, on page 233 an overview which buttons and dials can be changed to where.
Manual numbering corresponds to pdf numbering.

George

PS.

The 7dii has 544 pages. http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/2/030001..._Manual_EN.pdf

[rpcrowe]

The dials on the 7D2 and earlier cameras control the same functions...

THE FUNCTIONS ON THE TOP OF THE CAMERA ARE REVERSED

As an example on all previous Canon two-dial DSLR cameras, the button which controls both the auto focus and the drive selection has these functions listed as AF-DRIVE (in that order) and the control for the first function (in this case the AF) is managed with the MAIN Dial (atop the camera) Control for the second function (in this case the Drive) is managed with the QUICK CONTROL DIAL at the back of the camera.

With the 7D2 the button which controls both the drive and the suto focus has these listed in this order DRIVE - AF. The dial that controls the first function listed DRIVE is the QUICK CONTROL DIAL while the dial that controls the second function listed, AF, is the MAIN DIAL.

So to control the AF on either type of camera, you use the MAIN DIAL on top of the camera

AND

to control the DRIVE on either type of camera, you use the QUICK CONTROL DIAL on the back of the camera.

All the rest of the functions are reversed over the buttons but, the same dial controls each function.

Really makes no sense and it shows you that change doesn't necessarily mean progress

[DanK]

Why don't you email Canon and ask (1) why? and (2) is there a way to switch this? I've found that they are usually responsive, although there is some information they won't give out.