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    Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    Hi, all...

    Taking a random focal length, say 100mm, does a 100mm f/1.4 lens stopped down to f/5.6 let more light hit the sensor than a 100mm f/4 lens stopped down to f/5.6?

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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    No.

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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    Quote Originally Posted by sfogel2 View Post
    Hi, all...

    Taking a random focal length, say 100mm, does a 100mm f/1.4 lens stopped down to f/5.6 let more light hit the sensor than a 100mm f/4 lens stopped down to f/5.6?

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    Exactly the same.

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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    Maybe it was a trick question . . .

    If we want to get pedantic and technical: then my answer is "no idea unless we have accurate data concerning the T-Stops of the two lenses in question."

    The T-Stop is a measure of the light exiting the end of the lens. This can be quite important in Cinematography, but less so in Still Photography, though T-Stops are used for some forensic Still Photography applications.

    The T-Stop (typically) may vary less than one third of a Stop when compared to the F-Stop of any one particular lens.

    T-Stops can vary 'considerably' (maybe two thirds of a stop) between lenses of the same Focal Length.

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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    The f-stop number is nothing than the ratio of the lenses focal length divided by the entrance pupil, so the amount of light of any 100mm for the same f-stop will, in theory, be the same. The reason I say this is that other factors like the effectiveness of the lens coatings, the number of lens elements, etc. can make a minor difference in the actual light transition. If you ever see a cine lens, these don't use f-stops, but rather use "t" numbers where the "t" stands for transmission. This is a more accurate way of gauging how much light the lens actually lets in.

    The reason for buying a "fast lens" is that it lets more light in when it is wide open, so one can shoot at a lower shutter speed or ISO level. Also, a lens with a wider aperture (smaller number) setting will give you a shallower depth of field than one with a narrower maximum aperture (larger number).

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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    Welcome to the CiC forums sfogel2.

    I do not disagree with anything written above and it may be pedantic of me to mention this but ....

    Also, a lens with a wider aperture (smaller number) setting will give you a shallower depth of field than one with a narrower maximum aperture (larger number).
    Again, to be crystal clear - the narrower DoF is also only when those wider apertures are actually being used - e.g. set between f /1.4 and f/4 for the 'example' lenses you gave. So yes, you can pay a lot of money for apertures your style of photography may rarely use - arguably it may be money 'wasted' if your long term aspirations are limited.


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    Re: Does an f/1.4 lens at f/5.6 let in more light than an f/4 lens at f/5.6?

    Quote Originally Posted by sfogel2 View Post
    Hi, all...

    Taking a random focal length, say 100mm, does a 100mm f/1.4 lens stopped down to f/5.6 let more light hit the sensor than a 100mm f/4 lens stopped down to f/5.6?

    Thanks
    No and yes... No when the lenses are stopped down to the shooting aperture (f/5.6) but, yes at the focusing aperture f/1.4 or f/4). That is why there is often a difference in focusing between faster lenses and slower lenses. As an example, many cameras cannot auto focus with lenses slower than f/5.6 or f/8 aperture, This often comes into consideration with longer lenses or longer zoom lenses which have a maximum f/5.6 aperture and are being used with a 1.4x or 1.5x teleconverter which loses one stop converting an f/5.6 lens to f/8; or when being used with a 2x converter which costs two stops; converting the f/5.6 lens to f/11...

    "T" stops were mentioned above. The "T" stop differs from the f/stop as explained: Calculations for f/stops are a ratio between the usable aperture and the focal length; while the "T' stop is an actual measurement of the light being transmitted by the lens. Note f/stops are designated using "f/" while T-stops are designated by "T-"

    Also as mentioned the "T" stop system was developed for cinematography so that one lens of a "T" stop set would transmit EXACTLY the same amount of light as the other lenses in that set. That way the various shots from that set of lenses could be inter-cut without any great difference in the density of the image.

    "T" stop lens sets were extremely expensive. As an example:
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...EG&sku=1199499


    Of course there are several additional differences besides being a T-stop system that make these lenses super expensive..
    Last edited by rpcrowe; 13th July 2017 at 02:27 PM.

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