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    Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

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    Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern IsraelDSC07656 by gerald fraser, on Flickr

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    #1 is quite ethereal, but my preference is for #2 where the light is providing good texture to the landscape.

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    Gerald - I've never been to the Negev. but have had the opportunity to spend some time in other desert areas. Not having seen what the lighting was like, I can't comment on what you saw, but somehow the colours do not look right to me. Was the sky really that yellow?

    The other comment, especially in the first image is that when you are shooting into the light, the scene is back-lit and internal reflections of the light that hit the optical elements in the lens cause softening called "veiling flare". This can be compensated for in post processing by adding micro-contrast (in Lightroom / ACR parlance, "Clarity: and "Dehaze") as well as normal mid-tone contrast.

    I've done some quick tweaking to your images and have come up with the following:

    #1 - Pushing the jpeg fairly hard is introducing some artifacts and halos. The image is not all that interesting

    Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel


    #2 - This is definitely the stronger of the two shots, in my view.

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    For image one consider a bit of a crop to remove the very bright area in the upper right. i was tried a crop (with my crude two pieces of paper on the computer screen) just above the hilltop to the right and it seems a stronger image

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    Nice set.

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    I think the second is a much more interesting image--well composed, with interesting lines and textures.

    You're new here, so I don't know what you know. So, pardon me if this is going over things you already know. However, in case you don't, it might be useful to break down what Manfred posted. I'll show some quick-and-dirty edits that illustrate the steps.

    First, look at the histogram. It doesn't quite fill the available tonal range. You can add more pop by expanding it. You can do this with several different tools, but in many packages, you can simply move the white point down and the black point up in a levels adjustment. That yields this:

    Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel


    Now, add midtone contrast with an S-shaped curve with a curves tool. (I left this in the default blend mode, so it also adds a bit of saturation.)

    Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    Finally, add local contrast. I did this with unsharp mask in Photoshop, but the clarity slider in Lightroom does something very similar.

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    I don't think the amounts of each adjustment are optimal, even for my taste, but they show the impact of these edits.

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    I agree with Rufus that #1 is quite ethereal. I also think it is the more impressive shot. I find that Manfred's modifications have ruined the ethereal quality, converting it to something more mundane.

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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    Thank you all for your helpful comments. #1 This was an early morning picture with the sun still low. I intentionally wanted the picture to have an ethereal feel about it. Is the hazy/ethereal feel due to the veiling flare that Manfred alludes to. If so, it is having a desirable influence, in my opinion.
    #2 Dan - thanks - I like what you suggested, definitely improves the picture.
    Again - appreciate your involvement.
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    Re: Sunrise and the Negev Desert in Southern Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry F View Post
    Is the hazy/ethereal feel due to the veiling flare that Manfred alludes to. If so, it is having a desirable influence, in my opinion
    Veiling flare is generally considered undesirable as it introduces unwanted softening throughout the image. Lens manufacturers, especially on higher end lenses, use special lens coating processes to try to reduce this effect. Lens hoods also provide a means to prevent / reduce it. You can still produce images with that ethereal look without it.

    The hot spot at the top right hand corner is the source of the softening. When I see this issue through the viewfinder I will either recompose to avoid it or will use my hand or something else to shade the lens even more.

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