I'm really in need of someones assistance with critical color management isssue!

[jjgibbs29]

I am new to this forum and I sincerely apologize if this is in the wrong area or has been answered a bunch of times, I searched the forum and found helpful info but became confused a bit pertaining to my issue as it wasn't the exact same as other posts that I read. This is all pretty humbling to me as a full time photographer, but my color managed workflow as I thought was concrete is flawed and affecting my images visually once I have completed editing and exported both for web and to my print lab! So somewhere I am not doing something right or I am missing something...I am about to post a long text because I have been searching various FB groups and haven't received much feedback or trusted feedback, so I typed out my entire process in detail (sorry for overwhelming), I did this to demonstrate clearly what I do and find out why my results are as they are! Here it is:

As a photography studio owner, our sales are dependent upon the quality of our work and print quality. We have always tried to maintain a color managed workflow, on every level from capture to output. Somewhere along the line I am missing something or some aspect of my workflow is broken and it is frustrating.

Here is an outline of my workflow and color management procedures and I am unclear as to why I am having issues.

Equipment- Camera Body Nikon D850 I shoot Raw Lossless Uncompressed files, Camera is set to ADOBE RGB in color space.

Editing workstation- Microsoft Surface Studio (which has an amazing 5k hi resolution screen) I know my issue is in this part of the process somehow. I will explain in a moment.

The Surface Studio comes individually professionally calibrated from the manufacturer and microsoft doesn’t do a great job with specific support for creatives who have specific questions…

Editing software Capture: One Pro 20 now and previous versions before
Adobe Photoshop CC 2020 and previous versions before they are always updated…

Color Management-

Camera Body shoots in 12 Bit Raw uncompressed, set to Adobe (not sure if this is relevant at this point)

On Capture I sometimes use my xrite color checker passport and sometimes I don’t as I am pretty experienced when it comes to white balance and capture one didnt really support custom profiles until recently- but they have a great icc profile that is camera specific so pretty color accurate from this point. You can not change the color space in Capture One so I don’t think my issue is here as I have had this issue going back to lightroom days a few years ago for us.

Computer- I am not sure if my problem stems from the computer side of things or photoshop and output, or even a combination of things….but I am sure it is in here. I keep my monitor custom calibrated via colormunki photo and use xrite software to run the calibration, i have this measure ambient light in the room and glare off of the monitor as it can do that….I always run the calibration and it provides me a custom ICC profile….(Note: I am very aware of my editing workspace and have lamps that are daylight balanced to 5600k and positioned in a manner that is constant to my workflow but does not add brightness or even reach my monitor screen)

At this point is where I think the confusion or issue happens ...The surface studio is a large 5k touch screen monitor that is considered a wide gamut monitor, it is tested as one of the best color accurate monitors around so I fear that me calibrating it is compounding my issue- this is just a back of my mind fear because all of my education says calibrate the monitor because this will ensure accuracy considering all the external factors (lighting, brightness etc.) The monitor comes with 3 base modes -

sRGB -100 percent of sRGB color space coverage with almost perfect white point and gamma of 2.2
DCI-P3 - Wide Gamut color space that nearly encompasses the entire spectrum, but these colors are meant for cinematic means more than photography.
Vivid- Which after much research is microsoft doing a terrible job naming this space because I found out that it is actually P3-D65 which is basically a much larger color space than sRGB or even Adobe so it is wide gamut, with a gamma of 2.2 and the most accurate white point of d65 that this screen offers.

These are the 3 options that come with the surface studio- factory set. After Calibration the custom ICC profile is loaded and now my monitor has a 4th option (the new iCC profile named the same name that was produced by my xrite device.)

sRGB as a photographer makes sense because it is the safe option and apparently the best option without issue- but I feel limited by this option, because I know that there are other photographers out there working in wide spaces and not having the issues I am having so I want to figure out what I am doing wrong….

So I put my screen into the 4th option which is the custom calibrated workspace…..When i did this initially for the first time I had my computer set to factory settings (i don’t remember which workspace was set when i calibrated but I think it was srgb. And I am not sure that this matters or not.)

But I noticed a color shift and the during calibration I had the calibration tool auto adjust the contrast in the screen as I am not able to do that manually, but I do manually adjust brightness to the level indicated that is correct during calibration….when completed the first time I noticed a definite color shift from the pre calibrated state which looked funky to me but quickly my eyes adjusted and it began looking normal. Now Each time I calibrate I notice hardly any difference from the last calibration.

So now- camera capturing Raw, Capture one using my monitor color space and not affecting color on its own, and my calibrated monitor in its calibrated space - I move to photoshop (photoshop is set to 16bit PSD or TIFF zip files selected to Prophoto RGB. I have learned a ton from various people and have used prophoto rgb simply to utilize the largest color space available for my edits and then I edit my file and on export sRGB jpeg. I am not dealing with crazy colors or manipulating anything extremely color wise so at worst I would figure if a color was not achieved on srgb export it would match that specific color with the next best in the srgb spectrum- (Maybe this is not right) But to this point I am doing everything I thought was correct and voila here is the issue and it is depressing and causing anxiety- i spend hours perfecting an image and took care to respect and secure the highest quality image and it looks beautiful on my calibrated screen with its calibrated profile set, i am happy with my image and upload a sneak peek or image to my portfolio only to be highly disappointed that my image looks nothing like the actual edit that I see on my screen, it has a significant color **** or is washed out slightly (loss of contrast) and tones just look awful from my edit, from my intent for my client and print. I am not sure what is going on at all or where in this specific workflow (my desire to use the largest color space available Prophoto RGB, and calibrating my screen etc.) am I going wrong over other people who have no issue with this same process…

I have since this week become fed up and put my monitor into sRGB a non calibrated state, and photoshop into sRGB, and haven’t had any issue for now, my edit resembles my output. But images in my portfolio that I adjust with some basic color layers in photoshop on the Jpeg of the image that I am not wanting to fix on a jpeg, I just want some understanding and clarity if possible on what may have been happening and what I could do to fix?

I loaded an example of two images into my website they are the same image for reference the first one is what is being output from photoshop after saving srgb jpg, the second is a jpg copy that i had to do some color balance and vibrance adjustments onto to show more close resemblance of how it looked on my profiled monitor and I wanted it to look on my site. here are the links.

https://www.jessieandbree.com/index/...00042S6657u9.k

and

Corrected Version- https://www.jessieandbree.com/index/...000kNCVVybxXg8 because I edited the jpg the blacks and shadows are not what they were in the original edit.

Thank you so much for anyone that can help me as I know that this was crazy long!

[jjgibbs29]

Sorry I just realized that while the links do work, my site is set to a slide show so it needs to be paused at the top bar to hold each image in place. sorry about that.

[pschlute]

What web browser do you use to view your portfolio ? Is it colour managed ?

ps the two images look identical to me. I am viewing on firefox with full colour management, and a AdobeRGB compliant screen.

[xpatUSA]

Jessie,

If you are going to edit in such as ProPhoto or Adobe RGB, it is essential that your output image has an embedded ICC profile. If not, apps and browsers will assume that your image is sRGB and it will appear washed-out. The opposite can happen if an image was edited in sRGB, output with no profile and rendered on an Adobe RGB-compliant monitor where colors will look a bit over-saturated.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to examine your linked images because they can not be down-loaded nor can they be right-clicked for examination with an EXIF viewer. So all we can do is guess at what might be wrong ... sorry.

[DanK]

I just froze both at the same pictures and compared the two. Like Peter, I did this with Firefox. I compared the first two photos. Like Peter, I found the two in each pair to be identical.

There is a lot in your post, and I am not a color expert, but if I had to guess, I would put my money on Ted's suggestion. Either you haven't successfully converted to sRGB, or you didn't embed the correct profile if the file is in another color space.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

[Manfred M]

Hi Jessie - a quick read through your workflow does suggest what Peter and Ted are hinting at; an issue with colour space conversion and the use of software that is not colour managed (Photoshop and Capture One are), but some other element of your workflow may not be or there could be an issue with the way you convert from one colour space to another.

First question is when did you first notice this issue? I suspect something changed in your hardware or workflow for this to happen.

You should be using the profile that the xRite or DataColor software / hardware have created. It will be more accurate than the colour spaces supplied with your hardware, but ultimately I suspect this is not the issue. If the colours look funky after the profiling and calibration process, this is quite normal, but there can be an issue that resulted in a faulty profiling process (that happens to me once in a blue moon and I have to re-run the profiling / calibration process).

As switching to a sRGB workflow has solved the problem, this is most likely a colour profile issue. The muddiness between the two versions on your website would seem to confirm this to me.

1. Anything going to your website or as a digital file to your clients should be converted to sRGB. As others have noted, unless the tools you are using are colour managed, software will assume you are using an sRGB image. I do remember that MS Image Viewer, the last time I looked at it some 4 or 5 years ago was not. It's possible that some step in your web management software might be problematic as well, so play it safe and make sure that all these images are output as sRGB.

If you are printing on an inkjet printer, then the gamut of that process can be wider than AdobeRGB (depending on the printer model). If you are using a chromogenic, digital press or dye sublimation print process, these are sRGB only, so using a ProPhoto colour space isn't going to buy you much.

2. Conversion process. I assume you are using some kind of process to do your conversions. The problem that you show will occur if you are not using a correct process. If you are using Photoshop and under the Edit menu are using the "Assign Profile" function, this will happen. The correct way is to use the "Convert Profile" function just below it. Assign profile would take the ProPhoto you are using and tell the world that the file is really sRGB. The "Convert Profile" function will actually recalculate each colour value to the appropriate one in the sRGB colour space.

I hope that this helps.

[jjgibbs29]

I use Google Chrome mainly. You bring up a good point about web browser color management that I had never really even thought of. I will need to look into this because I also don't fully understand it, when my monitor is profiled via my xrite colormunki photo I always have an option at the end for ICC version 2 or version 4? I have always just selected version 4, so maybe this is a part of my issue?

[jjgibbs29]

Hi Jessie - a quick read through your workflow does suggest what Peter and Ted are hinting at; an issue with colour space conversion and the use of software that is not colour managed (Photoshop and Capture One are), but some other element of your workflow may not be or there could be an issue with the way you convert from one colour space to another.

First question is when did you first notice this issue? I suspect something changed in your hardware or workflow for this to happen.

You should be using the profile that the xRite or DataColor software / hardware have created. It will be more accurate than the colour spaces supplied with your hardware, but ultimately I suspect this is not the issue. If the colours look funky after the profiling and calibration process, this is quite normal, but there can be an issue that resulted in a faulty profiling process (that happens to me once in a blue moon and I have to re-run the profiling / calibration process).

As switching to a sRGB workflow has solved the problem, this is most likely a colour profile issue. The muddiness between the two versions on your website would seem to confirm this to me.

1. Anything going to your website or as a digital file to your clients should be converted to sRGB. As others have noted, unless the tools you are using are colour managed, software will assume you are using an sRGB image. I do remember that MS Image Viewer, the last time I looked at it some 4 or 5 years ago was not. It's possible that some step in your web management software might be problematic as well, so play it safe and make sure that all these images are output as sRGB.

If you are printing on an inkjet printer, then the gamut of that process can be wider than AdobeRGB (depending on the printer model). If you are using a chromogenic, digital press or dye sublimation print process, these are sRGB only, so using a ProPhoto colour space isn't going to buy you much.

2. Conversion process. I assume you are using some kind of process to do your conversions. The problem that you show will occur if you are not using a correct process. If you are using Photoshop and under the Edit menu are using the "Assign Profile" function, this will happen. The correct way is to use the "Convert Profile" function just below it. Assign profile would take the ProPhoto you are using and tell the world that the file is really sRGB. The "Convert Profile" function will actually recalculate each colour value to the appropriate one in the sRGB colour space.

I hope that this helps.

Hello there and thank you so much for your insight, I am so glad that I found this group and have been able to receive some guidance. I have actually been aware of this issue for a while and have researched as much as possible and have simply been frustrated to the point where I thought "It isn't that much of a change", but I decided finally that I can't accept that for my work or my clients.

What throws me off is I am creating a custom profile and while I know my editing process and color management process is primarily there for print replication- my edit on my profiled monitor looks to my eyes a certain way...then the print comes back and does not look like my edit as viewed from my profiled monitor, but if I manually change my profile over to sRGB it very closely resembles that image,which is shifted and looks different from my intent. So it isn't just an issue with my browser per se.

I think you definitely may have found my issue....I never select Edit--Covert to Profile----. I have always saved out, from the save menu and have srgb as the selected profile when saving; assuming that this will convert my working color space to the sRGB space. Is this not the same way or effective way to do this? (it appears maybe not from what I am reading.)

Also as another member mentioned about browser color management.... I have never thought about that and I use chrome. When I profile with my xrite device it asks ICC version 2 or 4. I have always selected 4? Is this also something I may be doing wrong?

[jjgibbs29]

What web browser do you use to view your portfolio ? Is it colour managed ?

ps the two images look identical to me. I am viewing on firefox with full colour management, and a AdobeRGB compliant screen.

I use Google Chrome mainly. You bring up a good point about web browser color management that I had never really even thought of. I will need to look into this because I also don't fully understand it, when my monitor is profiled via my xrite colormunki photo I always have an option at the end for ICC version 2 or version 4? I have always just selected version 4, so maybe this is a part of my issue?

[Manfred M]

You are confusing what colour management does versus what colour profiles do.

Colour management is all about accurately transferring colour information from one device to another. You do not appear to have a colour management issue so far as I can tell.

My best guess is that you appear to be having issues converting between colour spaces.. The effect you are seeing is usually related to showing a wider gamut colour space as sRGB. The fact that things look fine when you work in a sRGB colour space seems to confirm this.

Try looking at the images using FireFox as it is completely colour management. I suspect you will see the same issue.

In profiling ICC version 2 is more widely recognized, so stick with that.

I use Google Chrome mainly. You bring up a good point about web browser color management that I had never really even thought of. I will need to look into this because I also don't fully understand it, when my monitor is profiled via my xrite colormunki photo I always have an option at the end for ICC version 2 or version 4? I have always just selected version 4, so maybe this is a part of my issue?

[jjgibbs29]

You are confusing what colour management does versus what colour profiles do.

Colour management is all about accurately transferring colour information from one device to another. You do not appear to have a colour management issue so far as I can tell.

My best guess is that you appear to be having issues converting between colour spaces.. The effect you are seeing is usually related to showing a wider gamut colour space as sRGB. The fact that things look fine when you work in a sRGB colour space seems to confirm this.

Try looking at the images using FireFox as it is completely colour management. I suspect you will see the same issue.

In profiling ICC version 2 is more widely recognized, so stick with that.

Understood. I think I just stuck with the word color management pertaining to responding to someone's reply. My initial thread was wanting to show overall what my color management workflow is, as I assumed that a flaw is somewhere in this process. I simply am trying to find the correct procedure and stick with that and If I am not doing something i.e. converting the profile correctly or ensuring something is checked or whatever it is, make sure that I am correcting that. From your advice I understand that I should stick with the calibrated monitor profile as the selected profile for my display (I am going to recalibrate and select version 2), so the new profile will now be selected not sRGB any longer. Then I will open photoshop to ensure that monitor RGB reflects that correct monitor profile that is being used. I will reset the color preferences in photoshop to the prophoto color space (as I like a 16 bit workflow, just to support the highest quality image and take advantage of the raw data captured by my cameras sensor), now I import my PSD, TIFF or whatever from capture one (this is set to Prophoto RGB in the capture one dialog box before it coverts and opens in photoshop).

Next I edit my image. Now I am ready to output for various purposes....This is where I must have been missing something...because I have been at this point (not converting to profile) just going through the save dialog with the srgb box checked in the save or export dialog and I have been simply selecting highest quality and moving on...

I am going to change this part of the process rather than going through the save/export dialogue---now going through the convert to profile dialogue---converting to sRGB this way...So far is this correct? Should this take the image with color as it appears to me visually on my monitor (with its calibrated profile) and create an sRGB version of the image I am seeing, so that if I were on another device say an iphone for instance---it should resemble my edit as intended or closely without such a huge shift? This is an area of concern as I understand I can not control what viewers monitor is profiled like but when I post sneak peek images or portfolio images many of our clients are viewing on iphone screens etc. I just want to make sure I am doing this the correct way?

Also I assume when printing all of the above applies to the point of converting to profile but a few changes are made as I can softproof and have my print labs iCC profile so this should help on that end?

I know that I am writing a lot, Sorry. I really want to make sure I have this right.

[jjgibbs29]

I just froze both at the same pictures and compared the two. Like Peter, I did this with Firefox. I compared the first two photos. Like Peter, I found the two in each pair to be identical.

There is a lot in your post, and I am not a color expert, but if I had to guess, I would put my money on Ted's suggestion. Either you haven't successfully converted to sRGB, or you didn't embed the correct profile if the file is in another color space.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Thank you a lot for replying to this, it blew my mind when I started reading the replies and everyone is saying that the two images look identical. I use chrome which shows a significant shift between the two, and then i downloaded firefox to view and sure enough they are very close (not identical still but very close) you would have to look at the ground saturation and the shadow in the cliffs behind her to barely see the color and luminance shift, and slight overall contrast in the blacks, but I had to look several times to notice in firefox, where as chrome it is like night and day between the two. Safari as viewed from my iphone is different too.

It was confusing because I took the image on the left Jpeg, which is not how i wanted it to be viewed, brought that image into photoshop...made visible adjustments to the jpeg (saturation, vibrance, selective color...contrast) this produced the look similar to how it was meant to be viewed originally...then saved it out as a copy, now i have two jpgs one which is altered to be visibly different (how could it look the same I thought? with the changes made to it?)

Color Management, profile management...this is a beast of a topic that is dangerous haha because after staring so carefully between various looks your eyes just begin to deceive you and everything looks right and wrong hahaha...thanks again. My mind is still blown that with the additional processing on the other copy it looks the same...

[pschlute]

Firefox has always worked well for me. Have a look here to set it up correctly https://cameratico.com/guides/firefox-color-management/ It also means that the vivid colours of non-image webpages (headers etc) are more subdued when viewed on a wide gamut monitor.

I edit mainly in Photoshop using 16 bit TIFF. Always "convert to profile" before saving as jpeg.

[xpatUSA]

Thank you a lot for replying to this, it blew my mind when I started reading the replies and everyone is saying that the two images look identical.

By way of illustrating my earlier post about embedded profiles, here is a a JPEG saved in ProPhoto color space and with an embedded ProPhoto profile:



And here is exactly the same image with the profile stripped out:



They should look different in Jessie's Browser ... they do in FireFox on my sRGB monitor.

[jjgibbs29]

By way of illustrating my earlier post about embedded profiles, here is a a JPEG saved in ProPhoto color space and with an embedded ProPhoto profile:



And here is exactly the same image with the profile stripped out:



They should look different in Jessie's Browser ... they do in FireFox on my sRGB monitor.

And they do look different in my browser as I would expect. Im not sure if I am communicating what I am seeking but the gist of it is: I editing in a prophoto working space (photoshop) with my monitor set to the custom calibration profile.

So I have a custom profile that is displaying all of the information that my eyes are seeing (a profile that is unique that none of my clients are seeing etc.) I am basing all of my critical adjustments changing color, saturation, exposure etc...to come up with and end result that is what I want to be communicated in print and for the most part when viewed by potential clients online.

So Photoshop is set to a working color space which gamut is huge, it is reading the fact that my monitor is profiled and understand how my monitor displays color (as long as the correct profile is displayed in Monitor RGB!) correct so far?

My file is set to the same color space that I have photoshop set to - Prophoto RGB. To this point I am making edits and input adjustments to my image in line with how I think it should be done.

I have to output the image to sRGB for web etc.....My only goal is to have this sRGB image look like the same edit (tonality, brightness etc. understanding that it might not be perfect)..so I need it to look in sRGB mode on another screen as my monitor icc custom profile visually shows me that it is looking....otherwise I am blindly editing and might as well edit in full sRGB (monitor, file, photoshop etc). Is this what convert to profile does? Does it take into account my screens custom profile as well as pro photo rgb working colorspace when converting- thus producing an image that as long as the colors fit sRGB space would replicate my unique screen view overall (the screen is all I have to know what is going on and base my input on)? so If i take my screen out of its custom profile and put it into sRGB mode, I am looking for the image not to shift from what I was seeing to a changed version overall I am wanting it to look at least similar to how it was on my custom monitor profile...sorry not trying to be on repeat just wanting to make sure I am clear as to what is going on and what to fix.

[Manfred M]

Something sounds wrong here Jessie:

I looked at the images in Chrome, Firefox and MS Edge, and they all looked pretty well the same, as I would have expected. So there is something strange going on at your end. The first one is a bit darker in the background and that's pretty well it.

When you create a custom profile for your computer screen using you need to restart your computer and during boot up, the new profile will be applied. That's it. There are no settings you need to do in Photoshop to get it to use the profile; it uses what the operating system has loaded. Based on your post #11, you seem to be setting the profile again in Photoshop and that is wrong.

The calibration and profiling software does only one thing and that is to ensure that it overwrites the default drivers that shipped with your computer / screen with ones that are more accurate given your specific video card and screen. It doesn't care about which colour space you are using; that is all transparent to you the user. The rendering intent (on MS systems this is always Relative Colorimetric, for screen output) takes care of any out of gamut colours.

Just make sure you are using a reasonable output level (recommended is usually between 80 and 120 candela / sq meter). I have mine set to 80 as this means that my prints come out at the correct lightness (i.e. very similar to what I see on my screen). The light level in my office is fairly dull; around 40 lux (anything below 70 lux should be fine). You want a fairly dark room to maximize the screen contrast.

It seems to me that you have over-complicated things and have ended up getting colours that are wrong. It sounds like you are applying a second, unnecessary correction.

[pschlute]

I have to output the image to sRGB for web etc.....My only goal is to have this sRGB image look like the same edit (tonality, brightness etc. understanding that it might not be perfect).

It wont be identical but will be the closest that sRGB can render. Unless you have a lot of "edge" colours you shouldn't notice too much difference.

Is this what convert to profile does? Does it take into account my screens custom profile as well as pro photo rgb working colorspace when converting- thus producing an image that as long as the colors fit sRGB space would replicate my unique screen view overall

"Convert to profile" does not care about your monitor's profile. It simply takes the wider gamut colour value and converts it to the closest possible sRGB value. In doing so, it tags the image with a sRGB profile.

As long as you view this new image (sRGB profiled) in a colour -managed application like Photoshop or Firefox browser the application will read the tagged profile and present the colours correctly.

They may not be exactly the same as your original Prophoto tagged image, but for most shots they will be pretty much identical. It all depends on how many of your colours were outside the sRGB gamut to start with.

[jjgibbs29]

Something sounds wrong here Jessie:

I looked at the images in Chrome, Firefox and MS Edge, and they all looked pretty well the same, as I would have expected. So there is something strange going on at your end. The first one is a bit darker in the background and that's pretty well it.

When you create a custom profile for your computer screen using you need to restart your computer and during boot up, the new profile will be applied. That's it. There are no settings you need to do in Photoshop to get it to use the profile; it uses what the operating system has loaded. Based on your post #11, you seem to be setting the profile again in Photoshop and that is wrong.

The calibration and profiling software does only one thing and that is to ensure that it overwrites the default drivers that shipped with your computer / screen with ones that are more accurate given your specific video card and screen. It doesn't care about which colour space you are using; that is all transparent to you the user. The rendering intent (on MS systems this is always Relative Colorimetric, for screen output) takes care of any out of gamut colours.

Just make sure you are using a reasonable output level (recommended is usually between 80 and 120 candela / sq meter). I have mine set to 80 as this means that my prints come out at the correct lightness (i.e. very similar to what I see on my screen). The light level in my office is fairly dull; around 40 lux (anything below 70 lux should be fine). You want a fairly dark room to maximize the screen contrast.

It seems to me that you have over-complicated things and have ended up getting colours that are wrong.

Thank you again for the reply. I am not and didn't mean to suggest that I have been setting any profile again in photoshop, only referring to the monitor profile that photoshop is telling me is selected and being used as displayed under the monitor rgb area. I only make sure that they match and so far they have. If this did not matter for the circumstance then my fault for communicating it, but I do not reset anything or apply anything in photoshop profile wise. I only set working space to prophoto rgb and turn on the notication warning for mismatches etc.

I also edit in a controlled environment that the light levels stay constant and replaced all bulbs with bulbs that are especially 5600k balanced and dimmed, just for peace of mind. I have always set my brightness by allowing the software to auto adjust after reading the ambient etc.

Again you have been great and thank you for helping, Im assuming that my export has been not the best procedure, so I will recalibrate and select icc version 2 and start using convert to profile and hope that this works!!! Thank you again!

[pschlute]

There may also be an issue with different versions of Chrome browser or settings within. That article I linked to mentions Chrome is not colour managed but as time goes by that may have changed. Be worth checking that out.

[jjgibbs29]

It wont be identical but will be the closest that sRGB can render. Unless you have a lot of "edge" colours you shouldn't notice too much difference.



"Convert to profile" does not care about your monitor's profile. It simply takes the wider gamut colour value and converts it to the closest possible sRGB value. In doing so, it tags the image with a sRGB profile.

As long as you view this new image (sRGB profiled) in a colour -managed application like Photoshop or Firefox browser the application will read the tagged profile and present the colours correctly.

They may not be exactly the same as your original Prophoto tagged image, but for most shots they will be pretty much identical. It all depends on how many of your colours were outside the sRGB gamut to start with.

Thank you again Peter, this of course makes sense and I now have understanding of the convert to Profile choice, may I ask is there a known difference as to what I have been doing (not using convert to profile, and straight up going to either export with the sRGB profile checked or save for web legacy option which also has sRGB checked) Are these not converting to the profile the same way? I am just curious. Would one expect better results via the convert to profile methond?

Also maybe I am not profiling my monitor correctly, do you know should I be resetting my monitor to anything particular prior to re profiling or calibrating? Or is it okay to rerun the xrite profile software from the settings that were set from the last time of calibration? (which is what I have been doing each time) just making sure this part is correct as well. Thanks in advance for everyones help!!!!