Request suggestion regarding monitor

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Originally Posted by CIC

1. I have assigned aRGB as the colour profile in the camera to be embedded.
2. I shoot RAW, exclusively.
3. I import the photos using the camera profiles in LR. I do not change the colour space while importing.

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Setting the colour space in the camera settings to sRGB will only apply to JPEG or TIFF files produced by the camera.

An imported raw file will have no colour space applied to it.

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Originally Posted by CIC

4. After doing the selective edits in PS I export those files as JPEG with the original colour profile, aRGB in my case, embedded.
5. I have made some export presets which I use to export for any social media using LR, which changes the colour profile to sRGB.

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The colour profile will need to be specified when you export the image from Photoshop. There are two tick boxes in the "export-as" dialogue box :

1. Convert to sRGB
2. Embed colour profile.

Both these need to be ticked or you will not be converting the image to sRGB colour space or embedding the profile.

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Originally Posted by CIC

Thank you so much for your replies.
My workflow is as follows

1. I have assigned aRGB as the colour profile in the camera to be embedded.
2. I shoot RAW, exclusively.

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If you shoot exclusively RAW and do not edit the JPEG output from the camera, it does not really matter which colour space that you use. I personally set my camera to shoot RAW + BASIC JPG using the sRGB colour space, mostly because I do a lot of tethered shooting and that low quality JPEG file transfers more quickly to the laptop that I use.

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Originally Posted by CIC

3. I import the photos using the camera profiles in LR. I do not change the colour space while importing.

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You cannot change the colour profile or even use the colour profile while importing. There is no colour profile associated with raw data. Your statement does not make any sense here.

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Originally Posted by CIC

3. I do most of my edits in LR on the RAW files. After that for selective works, I open the file in PS using Edit with function of LR.

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That makes sense. It seems to me that you have final works that are both finished in Lightroom and in Photoshop. That is potentially a place where things might go wrong if you are not careful. You have to assign a colour profile (and colour temperature) in Lightroom when you open the file in Photoshop.

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Originally Posted by CIC

4. After doing the selective edits in PS I export those files as JPEG with the original colour profile, aRGB in my case, embedded.

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Why? I do not understand the need for this step. All of your edit information will be stored in the Photoshop psd files. You have effectively created a master file. Why do you export an Adobe RGB JPEG?

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Originally Posted by CIC

5. I have made some export presets which I use to export for any social media using LR, which changes the colour profile to sRGB.

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If you have created a Photoshop PSD file, you should be using this Photoshop your exports. Lightroom cannot do anything with your PSD files, so far as I know, other than including them in the catalog. For Lightroom, the edits are either stored in the Catalog (this is the default) or in a sidecar ACR file (this is optional and is how Adobe Camera Raw stores its edits).

It seems to me that this is where your problems with incorrect colour space are cropping up.

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Originally Posted by CIC

@Peter, This is a new monitor. As Manfred suggested I am using the monitor with DCP-I3 mode. I did try the sRGB mode for the same image in this monitor, but I did not find any drastic difference.
I shall try to share the links to the image today evening.

Thank you all again.

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I disagree with Peter here. You are using a P3-DCI compliant computer screen, so that has nothing to do with the colour space assigned to the files you are working on. So far as I know, the sRGB colour space is fully contained within both the Adode RGB and P3-DCI RGB colour space.

I think this can be simplified by pulling together a few critical points from the posts above.

1. Given that you are shooting raw, the color space you specify on the camera has no effect on the file you save. It only affects the thumbnail image and histogram on the camera's LCD.

2. Lightroom's working color space (the same is true of Adobe Camera Raw) is "Melissa", a variant of ProPhoto RGB. There is nothing you can do to change this, and there is no reason to.

3. The export dialog in Lightroom that you use to create any other file (JPEG or TIFF) allows you to specify the color space of the new file. There is generally no reason to choose anything other than sRGB (for most web posting) or ProPhoto (for importing into other software than can use that larger gamut). A few printing labs will accept Adobe RGB. A nice introduction to the points this far is https://digital-photography-school.c...m-colour-space.

4. If you open a Lightroom image in Photoshop directly using the Edit commands, the image will be converted to a new format that will have assigned whatever color working space you have set in Photoshop. In general, bigger is better, so I have mine set to ProPhoto.

5. Set Photoshop to ask you what to do if you open directly (File Open) an image that has a different color profile.

6. If you print from Lightroom, none of this matters because you don't save an intermediate file. Just soft proof using the appropriate ICC profile.

Thank you very much for your kind input.
I am enclosing smaller versions of a few of the photos I recently edited. Please comment on the colours and contrast.

While saving in Ps, I get only one option of put a checkmark against a box for embedding the ICC colour profile, which I always do.

Regarding saving, I do not save in PSD only because it takes up too much space (and due to some reasons, the PSD files do not have the layers saved), as I do not do much complex editing in Ps, saving in JPEG suffices.

I am going to change the default colour space of Ps to ProPhoto.

I meant embedding Camera profiles which really matters how Lr displays the photo, I did not mean colour profiles/space.

https://ibb.co/Mgpp8Pj
https://ibb.co/Sy84Z2q
https://ibb.co/3kPvX1d
https://ibb.co/s9GJ81H

These images look fine. They have an embedded colour profile also... sRGB.

Why do you think they are problematic ?

Like Peter, I don't see anything in these images that would suggest a colour space issue. The B&W images are not very helpful in that regard as any colour (mis)information has been obscured by the B&W conversion.

Thank you for your replies.
I added the B&W images just in case those may come in handy. These are exported using Lr, so Lr converted to sRGB and embedded in the colour space information.

The first one looks like having a "purple-ish" hue in the sky when viewed on that Laptop. Also, the contrast appears to be a bit less.

If for both of you, both the colour and contrast appear to be displayed appropriately, then I can safely assume that the problem lies with the viewing screens but not in my workflow or the new monitor.

I am enclosing another image for your reference.

Thank you again.

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Originally Posted by CIC

Thank you for your replies.
I added the B&W images just in case those may come in handy. These are exported using Lr, so Lr converted to sRGB and embedded in the colour space information.

The first one looks like having a "purple-ish" hue in the sky when viewed on that Laptop. Also, the contrast appears to be a bit less.

If for both of you, both the colour and contrast appear to be displayed appropriately, then I can safely assume that the problem lies with the viewing screens but not in my workflow or the new monitor.

I am enclosing another image for your reference.

Thank you again.

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I would not use your laptop screen to do any colour assessments. Unless you have a high end one with a screen that is 100% sRGB compliant and has been calibrated and profiled, the screens on those devices cannot generally be "trusted" to reproduce colours well. That's why you bought a higher end computer screen.

If in doubt, I will use Photoshop's Color Sampler tool to examine patches of colours in an image. I see no purple in the sky and clouds in the first, just blues and cyans, which is what one would expect, Your are right to suspect the laptop screen. The room where you are working can also impact your colour vision, if it (and even the work surface) are not neutral colours.

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Originally Posted by Manfred M

If in doubt, I will use Photoshop's Color Sampler tool to examine patches of colours in an image. I see no purple in the sky and clouds in the first, just blues and cyans, which is what one would expect, Your are right to suspect the laptop screen. The room where you are working can also impact your colour vision, if it (and even the work surface) are not neutral colours.

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Thank you very much for this great idea. I shall surely check it out.

In the meantime, I tried to set the default colour space for Ps to ProPhoto RGB, but every time I open a file from Lr, I receive a caution of colour space mismatch. It seems that while opening the file in Ps, Lr is assigning a particular colour space to it, and in my case it is aRGB.

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Originally Posted by CIC

Thank you very much for this great idea. I shall surely check it out.

In the meantime, I tried to set the default colour space for Ps to ProPhoto RGB, but every time I open a file from Lr, I receive a caution of colour space mismatch. It seems that while opening the file in Ps, Lr is assigning a particular colour space to it, and in my case it is aRGB.

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That tells me that your Lightroom default colour space is not the same as Photoshops. You need to set the defaults that you are working with; colour space, bit depth (should be 16 for ProPhoto, otherwise there is a higher risk of banding) as well as resolution. These can be found in the Lightroom preferences.

Normally, Photoshop looks at the raw data being transferred to it and uses those settings. If you have opened a new document in Photoshop and there is a mismatch, it will report a problem.

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I tried to set the default colour space for Ps to ProPhoto RGB, but every time I open a file from Lr, I receive a caution of colour space mismatch. It seems that while opening the file in Ps, Lr is assigning a particular colour space to it, and in my case it is aRGB.

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How are you moving the file from Lightroom to Photoshop?

The correct way to do it is to use the "Edit in" menu in Lightroom. Don't export the file and then open the exported file, because exporting is when Lightroom assigns a color profile. If you use Edit In, Lightroom will transfer the image to Photoshop, and Photoshop will use whatever color working space you have set in the Photoshop Edit Color Space menu.

If you open a file directly using File Open in Photoshop, photoshop allows you to set what will happen. This is also done in the Edit Color Space dialog box. It looks like you have the best setting chosen already, "ask when opening". Photoshop then allows you to tell it what to do, for example, to convert to a different profile.

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You need to set the defaults that you are working with; colour space, bit depth (should be 16 for ProPhoto, otherwise there is a higher risk of banding) as well as resolution. These can be found in the Lightroom preferences.

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I don't believe this is correct. Lightroom always works in 16-bit Melissa (ProPhoto). As far as I know, there is no way to change this.

Dan, I had always assumed that LR worked in the ProPhoto color space.
I found this Adobe helpx article on color space and it seems that LR uses ProPhoto in the develop mode.
However, in the library as well as other functions you will note it uses Abobe RGB. I was not aware of this.
It would seem therefore that if an image is exported from the LR library to PS without using the Edit In menu, Adobe RGB is what you will get?

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cl...anagement.html

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Originally Posted by LenR

It would seem therefore that if an image is exported from the LR library to PS without using the Edit In menu, Adobe RGB is what you will get?

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There is no function to "Export to Photoshop". You can export an image, in which case you need to assign a colour space. You are creating a new image file.

If you choose "edit in Photoshop" the colour space depends on what you are trying to edit:

If it is a raw file the colour space will be ProPhoto RGB
If it is any other file (JPEG/TIFF) that has a colour space (sRGB/Adobe RGB/ ProPhoto RGB) already applied to it, that colour space will be honoured.

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Originally Posted by DanK

I don't believe this is correct. Lightroom always works in 16-bit Melissa (ProPhoto). As far as I know, there is no way to change this.

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Internally, that is correct, but when sending to Photoshop for the image to be editing you need to set the parameters on the Preferences screen, just like you do when using Adobe Camera Raw.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...24127797_k.jpg

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Originally Posted by Manfred M

Internally, that is correct, but when sending to Photoshop for the image to be editing you need to set the parameters on the Preferences screen, just like you do when using Adobe Camera Raw.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...24127797_k.jpg

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Thanks for reminding me. I did that so many years ago that I had entirely forgotten about it.